Calzaghe - Most Overrated Fighter

Yes, that was an admittedly excellent thread if it is the one I'm thinking of.

 

slickster:Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go!

granted he' a modest little person, with much to be modest about ,in fact He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire,

some people get kicked in life,slickster fell into to a mule pen with his legs tied together,bless him.

 

It is. Check it out.
The recent stupidity will fail not fail to shock you & bring into question humanity's intellect.

 

Apparently, you either weren't here, or you've 'forgotten.'

I posted a link which you don't appear to know how to access, so I'll draw you a picture:

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So not just Lampley, Merchant and Manny Steward, but the ESB posters DID call for the fight.

No, actually, they DIDN'T.

Again, have a look at what the 'experts' said BEFORE the fight.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/boxing/blog/2008/11/predictions_on_the_joe_calzagh.html


What did ESB writers say ?

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=17000&more=1
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=17791&more=1

And What did Danny Rand say before the fight ?

He started a thread asking:

Why would he start a thread like that if so many people weren't picking Jones ?

Actually, they did.

And Lewis even provided commentary,

As I have shown in the above links, the only one trying to change history here is DannyRand.

 

Why are you hugging Joe's leg cuchulain?
It's like you're writing a dam research paper with full supporting articles to build Calzaghe's accomplishments to something they weren't.... oh wait you're doing just that except your argument is just invalid from its inception.
Nobody who has watched Roy Jones Jr. fight in his prime, will EVER and I repeat EVER agree that the Roy who fought Calzaghe is the same Roy who was champ in four weight divisions.
Calzaghe is overrated and is unfit to put on Roy's jockstrap for him.
end of story

 

Mayweather and calzaghe are very similar in this case.

 

one of the greatest threads ever i totally agree:good:good

 

He is a **** but he also has a point.

 

Like Danny Rand, you don't appear to read very well, ChrisKIim.

The point under discussion was NOT Calzaghe's accomplishments or lack of them.

It was whether or not fans WANTED him to fight Jones. And whether or not he was expected to win.

I have cited NO articles on Calzaghe's accomplishments. I HAVE cited an ESB poll that clearly shows that fans did want to see him fight Jones, more than any other possible opponent.

And I have cited articles that PREDICTED JONES WAS GOING TO WIN THE FIGHT.

Contrary to what you have posted, I have cited NO articles here on Joes' accomplishments.

The simple questions at issue were:

Did fans want to see Calzaghe fight Jones?

I have shown with certainty that they DID.



And did many fans, fighters and experts predict that Jones would win ?

Again, I have shown that they did predict just that.

Since you were unaware of what my argument was till just now (and perhaps still, for all I know), how would you judge it invalid ?

Who the **** ever said he was ?

Again, you argue vigorously against a point that was never made, or argued.

Try reading the posts and the thread before you jump in with eyes wide shut.

This is all you had to post. It sums up your feelings perfectly without exposing your poor reading skills.




FYI, I was a fan of RJJ before I was a Calzaghe fan.

When the fight was announced, I posted on here that I would have preferred to see Calzaghe take on Dawson, a 50-50 fight.

I stated that I expected Calzaghe to win easily and that no matter what the outcome of the Calzaghe-Jones fight, it wouldn't alter my opinion much of either man.

I stated that while Roy was far from shot, he was nowhere near the fighter he had been.

And finally, I have posted numerous times, both before and after the Jones-Calzaghe fight, that prime RJJ beats any version of Calzaghe.

In fact, as recently as a week ago, in another thread, I wrote:

 

Damn, cuchu, aren't you in the mood for debate tonight. :yep

 

Well dude, I got a lotta mutherfucckas who aren't bothering to read the posts before they leap in with their two cents worth !

And I got a dude who doesn't seem to remember the clamour that was out there for the Calzaghe-Jones fight BEFORE it went down.

Nor that lots of folks picked Roy.


I'm just straightenin' their asses out with EVIDENCE !



BTW, I responded to the Pac question in your thread.
:good

 

Yeah, I noticed the post in the Pac thread. If only someone moved it to the general. :blood

 

Fact of the matter is cuchi is that your btchass doesn't seem to realize that everyone wanted Roy to kick Joe's loud stupid Welsh accented ass up. Needless to say most fans who have followed Roy's career knew it would be very very improbable. You can bring up all the articles you want on how Roy was the favorite and this and that yada yada. But the fact of the matter is, all the so called analysts in boxing are just a bunch of talking heads who create what? HYPE (to sell tickets ppv yada yada)
Thats all Roy's chances were in that fight, and thats all Joe's career will ever be.
Now if Roy and Joe decided to fight in a telephone booth, then that would be a different story, Roy in the first by TKO.
And also ANOTHER fact of the matter. You were trying to build up Calzaghe as some fkin underdog in the fight by bringing up that Roy was favored in the fight or some monstrous Bull. Truth is Calzaghe was the favorite to win by anyone with a dam eye on boxing, and Sloppy Joe's victory should not be seen as anything great but something that was to be expected from an EXTREMELY shot Roy Jones Jr. So please stop trying to BUILD UP CALZAGHE'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS UP by posting 'expert' articles wow.. thick bro
But I'm glad that you did bring up that graph from ESB forum, because that is such a large sample size , and such a good indicator of everything to do with boxing. Actually I would take that back, I enjoy reading a lot of posts on this forum as they contain some actual depth of knowledge in boxing, save for the Joe C fans.
Until then keep gobbling up what the ******ed Larry Merchant and Teddy Atlas feed you, oh and also you only like Joe Calzaghe because of his British accent, obviously.

 

The real reason your panties are in a bunch. He's Welsh !

Including me.

I gave Roy almost NO chance there.

And I did say, as a Roy fan, quite clearly and many times before the fight (and after it) that if Roy were still at prime, he would beat Joe.

You make yourself look a little more ******ed with each post. The issue was NEVER that Roy was the favourite.

It was that MANY believed he would win, including many serious posters on here, many experts and many boxers.

MORE thought he would lose. But it was about a 40 -45 % sized group of both lay and experts who favoured Roy.


My initial post to Danny Rand was not to show that Roy was the favourite.

It was to refute HIS point that EVERYONE KNEW THE FIGHT WAS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION.

Calzaghe was the favourite.

But a slight favourite.

That's the 'fact' of the matter, is it ?

It really matters to James Toney or BHop or Lennox or the ESB posters that lots of tickets get sold.

This is clearly a case where your ass gets straightened out on EVIDENCE and you turn around like a schoolyard kid and say:

So you got me on what the experts were saying, I don't care. What do THEY know ?

Lame !

You get even more ****witted as your post goes on.

And you demonstrate how little you know of the sport.

Maybe synchronized swimming would suit you better ?


The closer the fight, the better for Joe.

Roy's ONLY hope was at range. Too much to explain to a ****ing twit like you here.

Again, for the last time, NO.

Joe was the favourite.

I've never said otherwise.

I've merely pointed out that a good many thought Roy was.

Reading comprehension is a problem for you, eh ?

...Except for Lennox, and Lacy, and BHop, and Toney and others too numerous to mention.


Get your head outta your ****ing arse, lad !

That was but one representative sample of a number of such polls.

Can you find me one from then that points to a different conclusion ?

Obviouslly ?

I'm not British, so what would be OBVIOUS about that ?



On the other hand, it's hard to think of anything being obvious to someone of your general level of intelligence, analysis and reading skill.



The only thing obvious from your limited contribution here is that you're yet another Calzaghe-hater with little to say of any real consequence.

One leaves the forum and is instantly replaced by a new one.

 

Nothing like a Calzaghe debate to bring out the UK/US pride brigade. Personally I dont think hes overrated simply because so many people hate him. I do think the Americans tend to forget how hyped Lacy (one 'expert' described him as a cross between Tyson & Holyfield) was before the fight and their seems to be a certain level of embaressment over the way he was schooled and now hes 'overrated' and 'one dimensional'. Well overrated by whom? American boxing experts as far as I can see.
From the other side I was truly disgusted Calzaghe fought Jones Jr after the comments in his own autobiography. That was truly shameful and I lost a hell of a lot of respect for him after that. His two best wins were against Lacy and Kessler and to finish with a 46-0 record is pretty damn impressive. Overall I think he was very good but not quite great.