Calzaghe must be top 10 atg ?

:happy Let's keep each other honest from now on.

I'd cleared the thread out anyway, no replies after I'd proved them wrong over the Tate issue.

 

Count me in. No more wasting time on irrational trolls with big agendas and little knowledge-bases. :good

 

He beat Chris Eubank (ATG), Jeff Lacy (the Mike Tyson of SM), Kessler (great SM), Hopkins (HOF ATG for sure) and Jones (no.1 P4P).

No-one can argue with that resume that Calzaghe is no.1 boxer of all time.

 

The only ones on my list are Headbanger and Bailey, trolls who are so biased that there is absolutely zero point in ever indulging either of them.

Silencer is also very biased, as seen on this thread where he bizarrely tried to pretend he asked for annual ratings when he patently didn't in order to help out his chum, but I don't mind him so much, he can be quite funny on occasion. Timeout is a non-entity and HitmanFan only learned to read and write last week, neither of them even register.

 

I agree.

No matter who wins the Six, be it Froch or Ward (I'd prefer Froch to win but think it will be Ward), that guy is the #1 smw of all-time in my eyes, winning a gruelling tournament over 2 years consisting of the world's best beats a couple of top wins from within an entire decade of WBO dross. And obviously if that guy goes on to defeat Bute, argument over for good.

Calzaghe fans think I'm biased against him, but I have always said I could see a fair argument for ranking him higher than Ricardo Lopez and Kostya Tszyu, even though I think both were superior fighters to him ability-wise (Lopez in particular was in a different stratosphere to 'Zaggers'), because my main criteria has always been and always will be resume. It's not the only thing that matters, but it's the most important. I can definitively say I rank Calzaghe below guys like Winky Wright, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley and Felix Trinidad, he's not even close to the likes of Jones, Hopkins and Pacquiao, not even remotely close. Several tiers below.

If Tszyu made the HOF, so must Calzaghe, but neither are ATGs IMO, just like Barry McGuigan, Orlando Canizales, and others aren't. JMHO.

 

The guy will destroy an argument about a fighter he doesn't know. This forum really is a toilet full of self-aggrandizing deluded trolls.

 

Yes.

Before he was shot to smithereens (Jones fight), the only men to defeat him by official record were two naturally larger defensive masters in Hopkins and Wright, both defeats coming above his best weight. Absolutely zero shame in that. IMO, he also lost to peak ODLH - who was a much better fighter than anyone Calzaghe ever fought.

Tito was a 3-weight world champion, welter champ 93-99 defeating Whitaker, Carr, Campas, Camacho, Blocker, lightmiddle champ 00-01 defeating Vargas, Reid, then won mw title by stopping Joppy, also beating Mayorga and Cherifi at mw.

Better resume, better peak ability, better accomplishments, all-round greater fighter, clearly, IMO. :good