Calzaghe must be top 10 atg ?

I'm up to round 7 atm.

whilst i watch here is Bailey's scorecard for the fight

 

R-C

1: 9-10 not much happened but joe got off a couple of clean combos and fought well behind the jab
2: 9-10 very good ring generalship by joe, slips a lot of reid's counter shots.
3: 9-10 joe dominating behind his jab, hand and head movement too quic for reid to get a foothold.
4: 9-10 joe in control here, flashy combos and some good counter jabs. reid getting flustered.
5: 10-9 reid timing joe much better in this round, slipping and landing good shots.
6: 10-9 scrappy round, reid displays better ring generalship and his punches seem more effective
7: 10-9 another scrappy round. joe held his ground better but reid still looks like the general in there and is landing the harder shots.
8: 8-10 clear joe round plus a point deduction to boot.
9: 10-9 reid looks a lot stronger than joe and is hitting him with well timed hard shots
10: 10-9 more of the same from reid with the harder cleaner punches and the superior defence.
11: 9-10 reid looked like the ring general but his defence was shockingly open to joe's right hand.
12: 9-10 good strong finish by joe, his bounce his back and he makes reid miss on the inside landind quick snappy combos.

Final score 112-115 calzaghe.

debate away

 

no need.

calzghe clearly won like i said.

the judge who scored it 116-111 to reid was on crack...

that pretty much sums up my original points.

& we appear to be in agreement.

just think...if you'd just done that 3 pages ago...we wouldn't have 3 pages of pointless bull****. :good

 

the post you originally replied to, luf.

at the time you disagreed. but you did what i said to do, in the very first post of mine you replied to, & now we agree.

funny that. :good

 

Joe Calzaghe, to me, falls around 60.

The undefeated record certainly does a lot for him, but there is no way in hell he could possibly be ranked higher P4P than Floyd Mayweather, Ricardo Lopez, or Rocky Marciano (unless you literally included 0 heavyweights on your list). Calzaghe is great, no shame in being one of the 60 or 70 best fighters all time in a sport that has been using the Queensbury Rules for well over a century.

 

watched this fight for the 1st time since it happened yesterday and it was a close fight, i scored it 115-112 as well, though i can understand someone scoring it closer. think the reid fight is the one fight in calzaghe's career that people try to use against him but in some ways it marks the greatness of calzaghe in areas that so many other so called great fighters lack.

- fighting in adveristy (broken hand)
- adapting during a fight

 

Where would be the fun in that tho?

First time I saw it was in 320 or whatever the definition was and a lot of joe's work looked really scruffy but I could see his jab land really well and the succession of right hooks in the 11th were much clearer now also.

That card for reid is clearly miles off.

When I did the thread I said it could be between 1 point for reid and 3 for joe dependant upon scoring of 1 and 11.

Still it was a good fight tho, which is more than I can say for hopkins-joe which is the next i'll be scoring :-(

 

@head

The way joe finished the fight was very impressive and would become a trademark of his career.

 

I have to say Lufc, your humility and honesty is commendable. I take my hat off to you.

Reid was an odd fighter. He had nights where he was amazing and others where he just didnt seem to want to be there. Reid looked excellent winning his world title in Italy, out toughed tough man top 10 SMW Wharton in a great fight, had a good win over game Pretorius (could be spelt wrong), beat future WBC MW champ Cherifi when unwell in a great fight, then just didnt do anything against Malinga in a fight he could so easily have won and was expected to. One warm up fight where he didnt look great and then gives Calzaghe a hard nights work. From then on Reid was never the same fighter and never seemed to take the same chances after. He looked bad in his fight after (similar to when he fought Malinga) against world rated and future WBA LHW champ Branco. It was another odd performance where Reid claimed he didnt know anything about him and thought he was going to be small in height and not tall. From there Reid seemed to fall out of the limelight for a while, beat Magee, looked unlucky against Ottke and then got mauled by Lacy. Reid did beat Brinkley after that who became a mandatory so still had something left.

 

You are right. Many who dont know Reid look on Boxrec and see he has a loss to Malinga, but that was a fight that Reid did nothing and very little happend. Reid seemed to give his title away.
Reid was WBC SMW champ, if he had of been given the decision over Ottke he would have won the WBC WBA & IBF SMW titles. Tells you his class

 

According to another big player in the game (Wlad) it is not unusuall for boxers to go through a whole fight with an injury without mentioning it. Dont want to sound like they are making excuses, and dont want to pull out since they might need the cash. Sounds a bit like such a case :think

 

Malinga did pull out a couple of notable upsets but he was nothing special. The way reid fought vs joe and ottke he should have flourished against other opposition but it didn't come together for him on a few occasions.

 

I dont know if it is on Youtube and I doubt you would find anyone that would keep a copy of such a poor fight but I take it you havent seen Reid/Malinga