Calzaghe Needs Bernard more than Bernard needs Calzaghe

i agree with you, wat i dont understand is the scrutiny that RJ & Bernard gets from Calzaghe fans, who say that they beat up bums. Or Bclass fighters whichever one you choose. But yet Calzaghe is doing the same thing and they love him, and he is doing it in a less impressive fashion that BHOP and most certainly RJ. I dont understand that

 

After Calzaghe beats kessler i dont think he will NEED Hopkins at all. yes it would be nice to beat a name like Bernard Hopkins but as he is 43 i cant see anybody giving Calzaghe the credit he deserves for such a victory.

i think he would probably get more props for fighting the winner of Taylor-Pavlik... or even younger chamnpion like a Dawson or an Erdei (who some consider linear champ).

Id like to see Joe in with X still but it was a much better fight 5 ro 6 years ago...its a shame hopkins avoided him really.

 

I agree. If Joe beats Kessler, he won't need a victory over an old and slow Hopkins on his resume.
Besides, like I've mentioned in other threads, if he beats Bernard, no one is going to give him any credit. They'll just go on about how he beat an old man.
It's a no win situation for Calzaghe (well, except from a financial point of view - then it's win/win!)

 

I don't think either of them need one another. However, either mans resume would be majorly boosted by having the others name on it. BHOP beating Calzaghe would put him clearly ahead of Jones. Calzaghe beating BHOP would give him HOF and possibly ATG status.

 

Yes, but you know as well as I do that should he beat Hopkins, his victory will be totally downplayed as being a mostly pointless win over an old man.
You'll just get a lot of guys screaming "a prime Hopkins would kill Calzaghe."
I believe it's a win that will end up proving very little.

 

Agreed

 

Or, just go straight for the Pavlk/Taylor winner. And that should be enough to secure a very strong legacy, because I really believe he won't be given much credit for a win over Hopkins.
I suspect most of the people on here who are calling for Calzaghe/Hopkins with the belief that Bernard will win, will be the same people calling a Calzaghe win a pointless victory over an old man. But $$$ rules, so it'll probably happen regardless.

 

I'm a big fan of Calzaghe and his talk about only wanting the big fights nowadays is great. Kessler is the best possible start to the that, but IMO it has to be either B-Hop or Pavlik/Taylor in his next fight. The Calzaghe haters will say he beat a washed-up fighter or a blown up- middleweight if he wins depending on which fight is made but I still think they are great fights for him, and more importantly winnable fights for him also.

There can be no more Manfredo's for Joe now, and no more alphabet mandatories either. If they want to take his belt, they can have it. Everyone knows he is champ regardless. However I feel is a little too eager to break the record for world title defences which is a shame as fighting handpicked WBO bums will harm his legacy more than breaking Joe Louis' record will help it.

 

Current staus:

Hopkins has a good resume, but the big minus is that he has never beaten a credible boxer above 160. And many will claim he has never even beat a good boxer at 160. In other words his best wins are over LMWs.

Calzaghe is the longest reigning champ and has a good resume if he beats Kessler. His bests wins are against two guys that were dominant champions in the same weight - Kessler and Eubanks.

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Hopkins needs one thing. A win aginst a good fighter as big as himself or bigger. That will always be a criticism of Hopkins and Hopkins should be crying to get Calzaghe to figh him just for the chance.

Calzaghe could mainly do with a win against bigger men. He will have nothing more to prove against fighters of his own size. Everyone knows Hopkins is not bigger than Calzaghe in any way shape or form. Plus there is a little problem with Calzaghe winning over old fighters - although a win over Kessler would pretty much dispell that. Dawson, Erdei etc. are naturally bigger and not old.

Overall, A win over Calzaghe (if he can beat Kessler) would do absolute wonders for Hopkins. A win over (really, really) old Hopkins would not make a lot of difference if he can beat Kessler.

 

Hopkins would be better off fighting Chad Dawson than Calzaghe.

Calzaghe doesn't really need hopkins, but he does need him more than the other way around.

Anyways getting past Kessler is a big if

 

I don't think he's going to get much credit, if he doesn't get credit for beating a 32 year old Eubank, why would he get credit for beating Hopkins who'd be over a decade older when they fought?

BHOP would get credit for beating Calzaghe, but not the other way round.

 

I agree with him.

Tarver looked like **** against Hopkins. And apparently in his last fight too (I haven't seen that one).

He has always been hit and miss really, and he's what, 37, 38??

Winky is definitely a credible boxer at 160 or below. Above 160? I don't think so really. How many other fights has he had at that weight?

Hopkins should fight somebody decent, young and hungry at 175 if he wants to stake his claim as being the best at 175, rather than clinging to the Ring belt bull****. Getting guys to step up 2 weight divisions, or fighting other old men doesn't do it for me.