Calzaghe Only Faced Bums In His WBO Title Reign? THE PROPER BREAKDOWN.

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  1. rocky538

    rocky538 Lineal Champion Full Member

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    Calzaghe's only win vs. a decent opponent in their prime was Kessler. Kessler isn't a great nor is he even the best 168lber today.

    Any 160-175 ATG in their prime could defeat the fighters Calzaghe faced in their primes.
     
  2. bailey

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    Thornberry was a gimme for Calzaghe no doubt but did go on to challenge again for the IBF title and go on to face Mundine. But definately a gimme

    Thats right Starie took C Woods undefeated record AFTER losing to Francis and also beat M Baker. Starie lost to Thysse when suffering from altitude but went on to give Ottke a good challenge, yet was clearly beaten by Calzaghe.
    Not a bad win at all

    Sheika was a mandatory who had earnt his place after an early career loss and as you note had beaten G Johnson, a win that looks better over time.
    Sheika after losing to Calzaghe was considered good enough to challenge for world titles 3 times after and has just given Diaconu the former WBC LHW champ a hard fight all these years later, yet was dispatched in 5 rounds by Calzaghe, for a good mandatory defence against a 20-1 fighter considered a threat. Calzaghe must have ruined him with the hype around Sheika at the time

    To be continued
     
  3. bailey

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    So much not said here. Woodhall had lost to Holmes in America when suffering an elbow injury where he couldnt use the arm properly and has talked of foul play before that fight.
    Woodhall beat Branco who would go on to become a world class SMW and beat Reid and G Johnson and later become WBA LHW champ and challenge Pascal when past his best.
    Woodhall lost a very close decision to future 3 time WBC SMW champ Beyer having Beyer hanging on at the end.
    When Woodhall was champ he beat former champ Nardiello and future WBC champ Catley who beat Beyer and Lucas by KO.
    Calzaghe removed Woodhall inside the distance for a good win over a world class SMW

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  4. rocky538

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    That mother****er Joe Calzaghe ducked out of fighting Glen Johnson 3 times.
    Glen Johnson has been robbed so many ****ing times , ****
     
  5. bailey

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    Calzaghe pulled out of fighting Sheika 3 times and Lacy but look what happend when they fought.
    Calzaghe did pull out against Johnson with injury on more than one occasion like he did Sheika, but remember at SMW Johnson had lost more than he had won, and Calzaghe had beaten Sheika who beat Johnson.
    Still when Calzaghe was ringside with a view to make a fight with Johnson, Johnson lost AGAIN, that time to Woods in their 3rd fight, so Calzaghe didnt duck double figure losses Johnson, Johnson lost and blew his chance
     
  6. bailey

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    Brewer was still world rated when Calzaghe beat him and had only lost by SDs twice to Ottke, though as you note was stopped by Echoles who Brewer also put down 3 times. Brewer went on to beat future title challenger Pemberton after losing to Calzaghe.
    A solid win over a world rated opponent even if not the greatest SMW by any stretch

    A gimme fight no doubt, cant remeber if this was a mandatory or not

    Failing to mention that Pudwill was a late sub for T Tate who pulled out. Still Pudwill had gone the distance in a title fight previously yet was blown away by Calzaghe
     
  7. bailey

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    Mitchell had a come from behind KOwin over Liles the then #1 of the SMW division, drew with future 2 weight champ Girard away and lost on points away. Mitchell came back to beat future WBA champ Siaca twice and JC Green. Mitchell only lost by SD to Ottke in a fight many thought Mitchell had won. Nobody had ever beaten Mitchell clearly yet Calzaghe did just that. Also When you wrote that Hall stopped Mitchell immediately after you fail to mention there was 4 years between those fights, thats how long Mitchell stayed out after Calzaghe beat him and the Hall fight was at a different weight.
    Good Calzaghe win over a world rated opponent

    Mkertchyan was a mandatory and had beaten Barr to become so. Mkertchyan had only lost to Inkin who became a world champ and after losing to Calzaghe KOd undefeated 26-0 J Chanet to win the European title and become European champ

    Was a mandatory that many felt had beaten Veit

    Will continue tmos
     
  8. rocky538

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    **** man, it dont matter Calzaghe's only good win vs. a quality opponent in their prime was Kessler, maybe calzaghe would have beat glen but who the **** knows its obvious he ducked him when Glen held the title in 2004. Lets not compare Johnson to the likes of Shieka and Lacy either, it's quite clear Johnson has been robbed numerous times and is a tough fight for anyone.
     
  9. unsigned_userv2

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    If they original poster had any sense of neutrality he'd update his original post and include your comments as these come in 19 pages down. I guess we'll find out whether he has an agenda against Calzaghe or he truly believes he is just presenting facts.

    I'm not going to lie and call myself an expert on Calzaghe so I'm very interested in reading educated comments from both sides of the fence and be able to put context into the fights. Good to also see little to no racist remarks or childish name-calling. Gold star to the mature ones.
     
  10. the_baller

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    Dude, seriously.

    Slappy has been pwned on this thread. He's been exposed as a fraud.

    I swear you Slappy huggers are worse then the Klitscko huggers.:-(
     
  11. bailey

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    Read below again
    Johnson had more losses at SMW than wins, and when he had a chance to impress against Calzaghe he LOST and blew it.
    At SMW Johnson lost to Vanderpool who lost to Lacy who Calzaghe beat
    Johnson lost to Sheika who Calzaghe beat
    Johnson lost to Branco who Woodhall beat who Calzaghe beat
    Johnson lost to Ottke

    Johnson has lost almost everytime he has stepped up, but now Calzaghe has retired he becomes a major force :patsch. Johnson blew his chance with too many losses and lost again when it mattered, to Woods that final time.

    Keep reading Calzaghe had many quality wins and you will see once I have finished
     
  12. BlackBrenny

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    How is this the proper breakdown? you are stating nothing that has not been stated before, yet you are leaving a few things out, for example, sheika was robbed against booth, and reid and mitchell were robbed against ottke etc. you're looking at boxrec and not the fights.
     
  13. bailey

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    When Calzaghe beat Veit a 2nd time Veit was an accomplished world rated 45-1 fighter who had some solid victories behind him.
    Veit had beaten undefeated Dziarra who wasnt a great fighter but did go on to beat L Mock and undefeated M Oral who would go on to challenge MW champs A Abraham and S Sylvester recently.
    Veit had also beaten beaten undefeated Guerrero for the European union title.
    Veit beat future title challenger Salem and Mock.
    Veit also beat world rated C Brewer with an educated destructive 9th round KO
    A note on Veit. He only ever lost to world champs or fighters who became world champs and has victories over Mock, Salem, Perdermo (a future Kessler challenger), Brewer when Brewer was world rated and Veit beat undefeated Braehmer who is now the current WBO LHW champ due for a unification fight in JAN 2011.
    A good Calzaghe victory over a mandatory world class SMW

    Was a tuneup for a potential fight against undefeated J Lacy. Ashira was a world rated MW and a gimme for Calzaghe that Calzaghe easily beat with a badly broken hand, fighting one handed for big parts of the fight

    Undefeated IBF champ, unification fight. Lacy was favourite to win. Calzaghe ruined Lacy but consider this. At this time of writing NO ACTIVE AMERICAN SMW HAS A BETTER WIN RESUME THAN LACY.
    Consider Brinkley who Bute just fought had been beaten by Reid who Lacy beat, and consider the same Reid beat undefeated B Magee, who is Butes next opponent.
    Tsypko became a European champ and also beat Magee who is Butes next opponent.
    Lacy has beaten Vanderpool, R Williams, Manfredo, Pemberton, Sheika, Tsypko, Reid.
     
  14. bailey

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    Dont worry, Im on to it
     
  15. pugilist64

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    Could you please do a simlar breakdown of all the bums Hopkins fought in his middleweight title reign?? :D