Calzaghe Only Faced Bums In His WBO Title Reign? THE PROPER BREAKDOWN.

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  1. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No offense dude, but I expect more out of my boxers than that. He held on to his title so long because he was fighting 2nd rate guys. Alot of fighters could amass double digit defenses and years long reigns if they fight inferior competition for years on end.

    The fact that Jeff Lacy is career defining fight speaks volumes. Lacy may have been dangerous, but not to a fighter of Calzaghe's calibre, or any one good like that.

    And to be honest, until he fought Lacy he only had held the wbo belt. Which was not/ is not considered on par with the others(although I think all the alphabet belts suck). he had fought only wbo ranked fighters who were not considered among the division's elite. He fought 5 Ring top 10 fighters during his wbo reign.

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    Why did it take so long? Because everyone else didn't want to fight him? Why is it that that is always the answer........

    Why wasn't his competition any good? Nobody wanted to fight him.

    Why didn't he unify? Nobody wanted to fight him.

    I would contend that if nobody wanted to fight him it was because he didn't have much to offer. Not because they feared losing to him, especially not based on his competition. I mean who even knew of him? Having to travel to the UK to fight an obscure champ in a less than prestigious weight class to fight for the wbo belt of all things?
     
  2. Drinker

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    A 43-year-old who is still performing at very high standard. Also the knockdown was only just legal. Hopkins followed through with his shoulder and bundled Calzaghe down. Joe took longer to go down than he did to get up. Out of Joe's four knockdowns, this one hurt him the least.

    It was on only a SD because of the knockdown, Byrd scored it 6-6 in RDs. Without the knockdown Calzaghe would have at least got a MD. One of the scorecards was 116-111, the widest ever against Hopkins. Roy Jones could only manage 116-112.

    Hopkins and Joe could have had nice triligy, if Hopkins had not ducked Joe in 2002.
     
  3. dubace

    dubace Well-Known Member Full Member

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    skills. nice comparison. and hopkins is faded. he's just good enough to be faded, and still kick ass. but he's far from his best
     
  4. dubace

    dubace Well-Known Member Full Member

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    joe was down after the punch, he hooks hopkins arm while he's falling. otherwise, hopkins hits him again before he finishes falling. get your **** right. and anybody who scores it 116 to 111 is a complete idiot. but i'm sure you fit that description to.
     
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You must have felt happier with the 115-112 card for Calzaghe.
    Your post shows how full of hate you are. Hopkins scored a flash KD, where Calzaghe got up and pressed on. Calzaghe beat Hopkins because Calzaghes left landed more than Hopkins right.
    Hopkins got put down twice by Pascal, so did Hopkins lose that fight to you? I bet not, so lets not get carried away, Calzaghe used ring generalship to clearly beat Hopkins
     
  6. Drinker

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    I never scored 116-111, one of the official American judges did.
     
  7. Drinker

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    I never said no champion wanted to fight joe; it was sarcasm aimed at you guys constantly implying that Joe ducked unification fights.

    Let's make it easier: You tell me who Joe should have unified against and when. I would also like to know why this fight didn't happen.
     
  8. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually, it has been my contention that he should have ditched the weaker smw division altogether and move up to lhw where the stiffer competition awaited. He should have done that in 01 or 02 when it was apparent that there was very little worthwhile at smw, especially fighting wbo contenders.

    If he had to stay at smw, he could have taken on any of the top 10 ring guys, other than the 5 he did fight. These are the annual rankings.

    1998
    Title Vacant

    Frankie Liles
    Joe Calzaghe
    Richie Woodhall
    Sven Ottke
    Charles Brewer
    Robin Reid
    Thomas Tate
    Vincenzo Nardiello
    Andrej Shkalikov
    Vinny Pazienza

    1999
    Title Vacant

    Sven Ottke
    Joe Calzaghe
    Byron Mitchell
    Markus Beyer
    Charles Brewer
    Thomas Tate
    Frankie Liles
    Richie Woodhall
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    Glenn Catley

    2000
    Title Vacant

    Sven Ottke
    Joe Calzaghe
    Bruno Girard
    Charles Brewer
    Thomas Tate
    Dave Hilton Jr.
    Dingaan Thobela
    Glenn Catley
    Byron Mitchell
    James Butler

    2001
    Title Vacant
    Sven Ottke
    Joe Calzaghe
    Byron Mitchell
    Antwun Echols
    Charles Brewer
    Thomas Tate
    Eric Lucas
    Mads Larsen
    Manny Siaca
    Markus Beyer

    2002
    Title Vacant
    Joe Calzaghe
    Sven Ottke
    Antwun Echols
    Eric Lucas
    Byron Mitchell
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    Mads Larsen
    Manny Siaca
    Anthony Mundine
    Markus Beyer

    2003
    Title Vacant
    Joe Calzaghe
    Sven Ottke
    Anthony Mundine
    Antwun Echols
    Danny Green
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    Markus Beyer
    Charles Brewer
    Mads Larsen
    Robin Reid

    2004
    Title Vacant
    Joe Calzaghe
    Mikkel Kessler
    Anthony Mundine
    Antwun Echols
    Danny Green
    Jeff Lacy
    Mads Larsen
    Robin Reid
    Markus Beyer
    Manny Siaca

    2005
    Title Vacant
    Joe Calzaghe
    Mikkel Kessler
    Jeff Lacy
    Markus Beyer
    Anthony Mundine
    Danny Green
    Manny Siaca
    Otis Grant
    Robin Reid
    Librado Andrade

    2006
    Joe Calzaghe, Champion
    Mikkel Kessler
    Anthony Mundine
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    Markus Beyer
    Librado Andrade
    Lucian Bute
    Carl Froch
    Allan Green
    Denis Inkin
    Peter Manfredo Jr.

    2007
    Joe Calzaghe, Champion
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    Anthony Mundine
    Lucian Bute
    Jeff Lacy
    Librado Andrade
    Carl Froch
    Allan Green
    Sakio Bika
    Denis Inkin
    Jean Pascal
     
  9. Valane

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    He didn't land any punches, do you want to explain to me how he won all the while missing everything he threw?

    He could have rematched but he chose not to, we all know why. Honestly i'm gratefull that he bitched out, watching him throw slaps at thin air for another twelve rounds would have been to much to bear.
     
  10. Drinker

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    This is where is gets a little misty because you've only posted the Ring annual ratings - compiled at the end of each calender year. They do not indicate where some of Joe's opponents were ranked in the month/week when he fought them.

    For instance: Mario Veit, 30-0, was ranked, WBO#1, WBC#5, WBA#5 & IBF#7 when he fought Joe. I would be shocked if he was not Ring Top 10 April 01 based on those rankings.
     
  11. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know. I can't seem to find the monthly rankings. If someone could post them I'd be grateful.

    But as you can see, there are a lot of fighters ranked in the top 10 that JC never fought. Far more than he did fight.


    Can we show a source for Veit?
     
  12. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why are we still having these threads?
    Simple fact is that 3 years after retiring people are still talking about the great Joe.

    that in itself confirms that he was truly one of the best.
    No matter how much ppl try to spin ****.
    46-0 baby.
    numbers dont lie.
     
  13. Smazz20

    Smazz20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Man refused to make the most of his talent. He has an enviable record but he will not be a fighter that is talked of in legendary terms. You look at Hatton leaving FW to make it in the states and infact making the KT fight in the first place. Look at Khan already headlining in Vegas, despite having suffered an embarrassing 1st round KO. Now you can't tell me that Calzaghe could of went to Warren earlier and demanded more challenging/meaningful fights. Hell, even go so far as to fight in America against the likes of Mitchell, Brewer, Sheika etc just to get his name thrown in the mix in American circles.
     
  14. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe fans reappeared after Hopkins got robbed vs Pascal, and still tried to argue Calzaghe ranks higher than BHops

    So this thread got bumped and is still going on since then.
     
  15. Loggo

    Loggo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe was almost as lucky as Ottke was with some of those wins.