Calzaghe Only Faced Bums In His WBO Title Reign? THE PROPER BREAKDOWN.

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  1. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Trinidad was a career welterweight if that is Hopkins greatest ever middleweight win then that is poor for a potential ATG boxer.

    If Hopkins was prime 97-04 then he beat Robert Allen three times and Echols twice not to mention Council, Daniels and Hakkar, his only good wins were over DLH a career lightweight come welterweight, Trinidad a career welterweight and Joppy.
    That is not the stuff of an ATG.

    You have not answered what is Hopkins greatest win full stop or whether Hopkins is an ATG and if he is, is he top 100 or top 50 ?
     
  2. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Squid pro ro, my boy. Your turn.

    What risks did Calzaghe take?
     
  3. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Feel free to bash Hopkins all you want. I am not, nor have I ever been a fan. However, his resume will hold up to scrutiny far better than JC's. I invite you, as I have others to do a breakdown similar to the one done by Dinamita, which despite being a bit venomous, holds many facts.
     
  4. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You havent answered all the questions yet, plus I will need to know if you are American so I know if you are 'sore' about the Welsh conquering your country, Prince Madoc in 1170, by right of conquest America belongs to the Welsh, this may make you biased against a Welsh boxer.
     
  5. swayz

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    imo their resumes are very close.

    imo 168 was stronger while calzaghe was there than 160 was while b-hop was there...b-hop has more "names" but a lot lot of those guys were moving up in weight to face b-hop & were not natural at the weight...while calzaghe had lesser "names" but they were a bigger threat at their natural weight than a blown up welter at middleweight.

    & imo what b-hop has done at 175 is probably more "technically" imprerssive than any run of results on calzaghe's resume...but imo beating b-hop at 175 is a much bigger win than anything on b-hop's resume.

    like i said; imo it's very close.
     
  6. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Show me where I said it was Ok BHop didnt face Sturm, stop making false allegations.

    I said Sturm had lost his title to ODLH and only held it for 9 months. In those 9 months Hopkins fought WBA World MW champion William Joppy, and IBF mandatory Robert Allen.

    So where and when was this fight should have happend?

    Frankie Liles was the #1 SMW for more than a year but Calzaghe didnt mention his name once.


    Hopkins fought every rival he had in the MW division, Calzaghe didnt. The main criticism of Calzaghe is not who he beat is why he was behaving like a ***** and not fighting or calling out big names. Calzaghe's career got respect in 2006 when he beat Jeff Lacy, and Jeff Lacy was ****.

    Hopkins fought every rival in the MW scene, Calzaghe didnt in the SMW scene. Thats the main point.




    I agree, Im a fan of the game before the player, Hopkins should have taken this fight by now since Dawson has called him out.

    Hopkins still aint retired, still in the game and may or may not fight Dawson.

    Regardless, Calzaghe was being a ***** in his prime against another ***** Ottke who was also in his prime. Also Ottke was ranked ahead of Calzaghe during those events. Hopkins 46 years of age probably knows his limits.

    Calzaghe was in his prime when that crime was commited. Hopkins still fighting a young fighter in Pascal, and the WBC has said Hopkins should take on Dawson next, I doubt Hopkins would.
     
  7. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whats that got to do with the sport.

    If Calzaghe's name was Mike Tyson, I would still speak what I been saying. If Hopkins name was Tocker Pudwill I would still speak what I been saying.
     
  8. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ridiculous.

    I answered some of yours, you avoided my one question. You find a reason to justify it. You are a Calzaghe fan, aren't you.

    I shall not feed you any more little troll.
     
  9. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whether the 168 division was stronger than the 160, Hopkins dominated his division better than Calzaghe.

    Hopkins was universally accepted as the main man in his division within 5 years, while it took Calzaghe 9 years after winning their respective world titles.

    Hopkins beat more top 10 ranked opposition than Calzaghe did.

    Hopkins has more KO wins in his top 10 wins at MW than Calzaghe does in his top 10 wins at SMW.

    Even though I accept their reigns are pretty much similar, the above is the reason why I give Hopkins the edge over Calzaghe in this matter.

    Calzaghe SD Hopkins aint better than what Hopkins has done in his entire career, Hopkins did his wins decisively. It was an SD close fought contest. Calzaghe's best win IMO is Kessler UD where he clearly showed he is the best SMW in the world, and the 2nd greatest win in that division.
     
  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Excellent post :good, that tells it how it is. Just imagine if Calzaghe constantly fought recognised names from smaller divisions. You could imagine the name of this thread then, instead Calzaghe beat all of the best SMWs that would fight him and then went up to LHW and beat the best LHW also.

    Sadly due to racism and hate alot of people will never forgive Calzaghe for being a winner, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
     
  11. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What about Ottke and Froch?
     
  12. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's clearly trying to wind me up. Go back and read some of the recent exchanges. I have my suspicions of him being an alt account anyway.
     
  13. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm a child? Aside from him who have I ever insulted on this forum?ghes throwing around race and nationality as a reason for others supposed bias. Is troll that much of an insult that you should come riding to his rescue, calling me a child? What does that make you?
     
  14. bailey

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  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I said all of the best SMWs that would face him. Ottke wouldnt face him.
    As for Froch be real, when they were both SMWs Froch didnt bring much to the table. If Calzaghe had of fought Froch rather than Kessler imagine what would have been said. The public were calling for Calzaghe to go up in weight and fight Hopkins, not Froch. You know that. Calzaghe obliged.
    Froch won a title against Pascal but nobody was interested in Froch - Calzaghe as Froch still wasnt a big enough name world wide and Pascal wasnt even a top 10 SMW that Froch beat.
    Still Calzaghe beat Kessler that beat Froch