Calzaghe Only Faced Bums In His WBO Title Reign? THE PROPER BREAKDOWN.

Put it like this Calzaghe may because of the facts be ranked a league higher than Hopkins, but because of the facts Hopkins cannot be ranked a league higher than Calzaghe, only in the same league at best.
After Calzaghe beat Hopkins I had Calzaghe ahead of Hopkins on my ATG list and that is the way it stays.

 

You probably dont know that Hopkins on his 25th birthday had never won a fight, Roy Jones won a World title at 24 and Calzaghe at 25, Hopkins was 30 when he won his first World title and by 35 Hopkins had beaten nobody at the top level, it was only between 35 and 40 that he beat some names, boys that had moved up through the weights, nothing impressive for a possible ATG, then in his 40s he started mixing it, Hopkins beat Tarver at 41, beat Wright at 42, lost to Calzaghe at 43 {Calzaghe was 36 and near retirement, hands shot}then beat Pavlik at 43, beat Ornelas at 44, beat Jones at 45 and drew with Pascal.

PS Both Jones Jnr and Calzaghe were amateur champions and were World champs in the pro's at fairly young ages, Hopkins was a late starter, hence his best results coming at an advanced age.

 

FACT

Calzaghe faced his first ever title holder against Jeff Lacy

 

In that timescale Hopkins fought Allen three times and Echols twice, how far passed prime was Hopkins when he faced Calzaghe and how far passed prime was a nearly retired Calzaghe when he faced Hopkins, no trick question.

 

I think Sturm won, but it aint a major great robbery as it is thrown out to be.

What you argueing about?

I dont give a **** whether he fought him or not. Liles wasnt a major player anyway during Calzaghe's reign, others like Mundine, Beyer and Ottke however were fights that were more feasable than the Liles one.

probably the WBO which Hopkins won of Oscar De La Hoya and lost to Taylor.

Howard Eastman was the mando for the WBC, and Sturm was the Mando for the WBO.

At the time Hopkins held all 4 titles and faced mandatories Eastman

Well if you can accept that BHop didnt duck sturm. I will accept Calzaghe didnt duck Liles. I just mention Liles as a fighter that was around Calzaghe's reign.

But I did google Sturm and Hopkins, and also read that Hopkins was willing to give Sturm the shot but looks like he gave it to Howard Eastman instead.

99.9% of duckings from germany is linked with Sauderland. But Sauderland did say he tried to make the fight with Calzaghe and Ottke. To me it was just a serious case off:-

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Ok I accept that I did chat **** there, I know if I dont accept I will be here untill 2moro.

Sturm was his WBO mandatory, Hopkins instead faced Eastman was WBC mandatory. And then lost to Jermain Taylor twice.

Not really, it dont change the fact

Hopkins faced more top 10 ranked fighters than Calzaghe did. And Hopkins beat all those that were considered equal to him, Calzaghe was likened to Beyer and Ottke, whom remained untouched.

Calzaghe was in a weight class above.
Hopkins had to give up his belts to fight at a higher weight class.
Hopkins was P4P #1 while Calzaghe was not in his league.

Calzaghe was ***** playing with Ottke who was in his weight class while Hopkins dealt with all his MW challenges.

We are talking about their respective reigns in their divisions, Calzaghe didnt take care of Ottke and Beyer regardless who was to be blamed, while Hopkins win lose or draw fought everyone available in his category.

Both dominated, Hopkins did the better dominance. I think Hopkins taking care off business by beating more top 10 ranked opposition aswell as becomng the main man within 5 years is better dominance than Calzaghe not facing the #1 SMW Ottke aswell as taking 9 years to be agreed to being the main man in his division.

We can agree to disagree, but as I stated above Hopkins dominance was more impressive than Calzaghe's.

 

I said since 2004 Froch has called out Calzaghe.

between 2004 - 2011, Froch has called him out numerous times and Calzaghe has played the *****

 

Hopkins came out of prison thats why he was a late starter.

 

Regarding Jones.....I agree to an extent. It was a money fight.

 

You said Hopkins should have faced sturm.

I asked where and when since these were the events:-

Sturm has the title from Sept 2003 to June 2004

Hopkins in that timeframe faces Joppy the WBA holder aswell as IBF Mandatory Robert Allen.

I used them facts to show that a fight between WBO titlist Felix Sturm and Hopkins wasnt easy to make.

You then said a fight could have been made either way, but Hopkins next fight was WBC #1 contender Howard Eastman, and then Jermain Taylor.

So I asked when and where should have Hopkins fought Sturm, you labelled the above as excuses

In the begining I said he could have, and I just named a fighter that was ranked ahead of Calzaghe during Calzaghe's reign that Calzaghe didnt take care off.

My original point was the same cannot be said for Hopkins who has fought everyone that was ranked ahead of him during his reign. You can go ahead and try and make a case for Quincy Taylor if you want.

The major point being, Calzaghe had more rivals in his SMW division that he didnt deal with than Bernard Hopkins thus reflecting Hopkins dominance of his MW division is more impressive than Calzaghe's dominance of his SMW division.

Yes I accepted that I was chatting breeze, however the point that was being linked to was this:-

Hopkins has fought more top 10 ranked opposition than Calzaghe has, and check my next to posts that would show this.



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blame Sauderland but I said 99.9% of the time. In this instance this was a severe case of:-

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Sauderland is a *****, but so is Frank Warren.

yup I should have researched it alot better.

To an extent ring top 10 shows who was he best around, they would at least have the top 5 in there.

Both ottke and Calzaghe were playing with each others pussies. Regardless how much effort did Calzaghe himself put into making this fight, Ottke was a champion out there that done half the dominance, while Calzaghe did half. Both from their homelands.

Are you saying Jermain Taylor is better than Hopkins?

Hopkins fought him when he was 40 years old and you also accepted that you think Hopkins won, regardless me and you can agree on this at least:-

Hopkins more or less fought every fighter that should have been fought in the MW scene.

Same cannot be said for Calzaghe.

This Hopkins ducked Calzaghe is a over rated piece. Hopkins stays in the MW division until he loses, and then moves up, and eventually fights the man he is supposed to have ducked

Thats how a warrior does it, fight until you cannot win.

I cannot recall me saying anything different. Ottke and Calzaghe not fighting each other, shows there was not an individual that was the main man. Both of them were playing with each others pussies and it was a severe case of this:-

You saying Harry Simon was a man that was in the way of Hopkins becoming the man of the division.

Harry Simon won the WBO MW title in 2002 and then didnt fight again until 2007. Besides Hopkins was already considered the man of the division at this time.

Cherifi picked up the WBC and lost it in a rematch back in 1998, even if Hopkins beat him in 1998 it wouldnt mean Hopkins is the man of the division.

Rodney Jones never won a world title in his career yet you call him a BHop rival and think he stood in Hopkins way of becoming the main man in the division.

Ottke stood in Calzaghe's way of becoming the main of the division, both of them played with each other instead of trying to establish who is the main man of the division. You cannot compare this fight not happening to:-

Hopkins vs Sturm
Hopkins vs Cherifi
Hopkins vs Simon
Hopkins vs Rodney

I accept this, but Markus Beyer held the title for a long period, and in that period he didnt fight Calzaghe and Calzaghe didnt fight him.

Kessler beat Beyer
Calzaghe beat Lacy

Calzaghe beat Kessler.

Hopkins beat Holmes
Trinidad beat Joppy
Hopkins beat Joppy and Trinidad.

We can agree to disagree.

Calzaghe wasnt considered the main man until 2006. That is 9 years he was on the same level as the Ottke's, Lacy's Kesslers and Beyers...

Ok, but saying that pavlik was completely out of his depth at 170 is bull**** when seen that Pavlik has fought above 160 many times. Weight is always made into a major issue.

RJJ was a fight for the money, but so was Oscar De La Hoya vs Hopkins instead of Calzaghe.

Difference is, Calzaghe ended his career on a shot Jones Jr, when there were more tougher challenges out there that would have increased his legacy. While Hopkins fought on and fought Calzaghe.

here Calzaghe could have seperated himself from others by displaying his use of experience against youth. The only time I can recall Calzaghe being the underdog was when he fought Jeff lacy, Calzaghe fighting Pavlik, Dawson were too risky for his "0". And Jeff Lacy was **** fighter to be an underdog to.

While Hopkins is still out there trying his hardest to be recognised as the oldest world champion in history. Hopkins is showing more bottle than Calzaghe has ever did.