Calzaghe Only Faced Bums In His WBO Title Reign? THE PROPER BREAKDOWN.

i dont think joe saw big fight big money big names and fame and stardom and went the other way what top american would fancy fighting a relativly unknown fighter with the skill and awarkness of joe for low reward im talking about early carreer not after lacy


joe calzaghe dodged fighter some opposition was mediocre but whos isnt at times lacy had balls and look what happened to him he got made to look like a novice and he was a world champ ha ha i agree he could have achieved more 5years earlier or later but you fight whos put in front of you manfredo was a joke tho bika is tough reid and woodhall were no mugs and eubank was one tough nut

 

Hopkins fought these non top 10 ranked fighters:-
Steve Frank
William Bo James
Glen Johnson
Andrew Council
Simon Brown
Morrade Hakkar

Calzaghe fought these non top 10 ranked fighters
Branko Sobot
Ferreya
Rick Thornberry
David Starie
Omar Sheika
Mario Veit
Will McIntyre
Miguel Angel Jiminez
Tocker Pudwill
Mger Mkrtchyan
Kabery Salem
Mario Veit II
Evans Ashira (althought top to MW at one point)

Calzaghe fought 13 non top 10 ranked opponents, while Hopkins only fought 6, 1 of them was an ex LMW champ (brown) and one of them was a future LHW champ (Johnson)

Hopkins fought more top 10 ranked opposition, and less non top 10 ranked opposition as proven.

 

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Hopkins 31 - 20 Calzaghe

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Hopkins 38 - 23 Calzaghe

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Title Vacant...............

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Hopkins 42 - 26 Calzaghe

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Hopkins 45 - 29 Calzaghe

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Hopkins 45 - 32 Calzaghe



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Well all I am saying is, it would be more healthy for Calzaghe legacy if he went out and fought Pavlik instead.



It was a last day pay day, and Calzaghe deserves to get paid after his services to the game, but what I think is he realised his time is coming to an end, and instead of losing that "0", quit while you are ahead and thats it.



Hopkins did call him out of retirement, so did Froch, but both realised Calzaghe is done, especially after the cocaine incident, so laid off.

 

Who the hell are you another lame Bailey alt? Nothing you say will change the fact that Calzaghe was a champion in name only for the bulk of his career. Nothing you say will change the fact that 168 is not a prestigious division and was a weak division during 98% Joe's career. Nothing can change the fact that Joe's time at the top was short and his solid victories are very few in number.

 

You guys aren't still arguing with this 14 year old imbecile??

 

Calzaghe's had better wins at the top level.
Calzaghe beat Hopkins head to head.
Those are the facts, realsoulja is trying to point out that Hopkins beat more second tier boxers, which has little bearing on ATG status, top performers should beat second tier boxers all the time, what counts is when ATG status boxers fight top level performers, and Roy Jones, Taylor and Calzaghe say that Hopkins is average at the very highest level, at the highest level Calzaghe beat Hopkins.

 

There is no comparison because there wasn't the robbery shennanigans and such. And although I have been critical of the refereeing in Calzaghes fights, the is no comparison there either. Calzaghe also stepped it before he retired. There will always be some comparison though because both fighters and those around them seemed hell bent on protecting the 0. Protecting the 0 is a great marketing tool to the hometown fans, but from a legacy standpoint, not so much. This gives both guys career the appearance of being manufactured, although to a different extent in Ottkes case.

 

I think we more or less coming towards the end of this discussion, I learnt quite a bit over these exchanges to be honest I respect you for that, you like a way more eductated version of bailey. But a few points I did disagree with regarding your last post:-

Amongst those "rivals" for Hopkins that people may think are:-

Felix Sturm, and thats it. If you think Harry Simon and Hacine Cherifi are amongst them thats bull**** since they were not champions for long periods, nor were they standing in the way of Hopkins becomin recognised man of the division. Sturm IMO also doesnt fit that description.

Yes Sauderland is definatly worse. IMO Ricky Hatton and Amir Khan did better when they left Warren who hindered Calzaghe's legacy by making some shitty defenses in the UK.

Agree there is absolutley no comparison, Ottke shouldnt even be undefeated, Charles Brewer, Thomas Tate, Glen Johnson, Byron Mitchell, Mads Larsen and Robin Reid to name a few dodgy decisions. My point was Ottke was a man that would have given Calzaghe the main man position alot quicker.

This rival which Calzaghe didnt fight is a bigger rival than any which BHop had. Bigger than Cherifi and Sturm.

Hopkins pussied out then called him out after the Wright fight? Come on man. Hopkins was changing from Don King to GoldenBoy around the same time. You say he made peanuts, he eventually got paid fighting ODLH 2 fights later regardless.

They were not even in the same weight class.

When they were in the same weight class, they fought to a SD, Hopkins called out Calzaghe for a rematch after the Pavlik fight, Calzaghe declined.

He wasnt a rival of Hopkins, he won the WBO in 2002 and didnt fight again until 2007.

Lets cut the bull****, do you really think, Felix Sturm, Hacine Cherifi, Rodney Jones and Harry Simon were rivals of Hopkins?

I think Ottke and Beyer were definatle, aswell as Lacy and Kessler.

It would have been better dominance thats the point I am making. It would have been a better fight than Manfredo, Bika, Ashira, Kabery Salem.....

If you want to talk about money, Hopkins made $1.125 Million vs Hakkar, and then 2 fights later made $10 - $15 Million vs Oscar De La Hoya. Turning down that 3 mill and made 5 times more the amount. 1.125 mil aint peanuts.

Also that was a don king negotiation, Sauderland was a corrupt one, Warren is a cautious one, but King is one ****er that aint going to pay you the right money. Trinidad, Mayorga and Tyson still asking for their wages.

1) Hopkins didnt retire the fight after
2) It was a non title fight
3) Hopkins was fighting Enrique Orrnelous the fight before
4) Hopkins and Jones had a long history
5) Business
6) Hopkins got hit on the back of his head vs RJJ, which was a minor slap and just took the ****, he got hit hard by Pascal but since it was ruled a knockdown he didnt take the ****. You think Hopkins was in pain? come on man he been taking the **** all his career. Watch the two Echols fights, some entertaining oscar winning drama **** there, Hopkins supposedly dislocates his right shoulder after being body slammed, then a few rounds later Knocks Echols out with the injured arm Echols II fight that is. And then the Calzaghe fight round 10 fake low blow, aswell as the Robert Allen fight. Hopkins is smart knows his limits and has used the opportunities well to get the upper hand in fights.

Calzaghe had Hopkins gassed out hard, but after Hopkins had a nice long break from faking the KO, Calzaghe was back in trouble like he was in Round 1. Thats smart ****.

Hopkins can do what he wants now at this age his legacy aint going to decrease, he can fight Enrique Orrnelous II if he wants to stay active. Him saying he wants to become the oldest man to win a title and attempting it nullifies all that RJJ II and Enrique fights. Calzaghe didnt nullify his fight with shot Jones Jr rather he retired on it and probably realised its the end of the road getting Knocked down against a shot jones is embarresing as it gets.

Hopkins "excuse" is that he dont want to destroy him saying he would do another Pavlik. I think he knows his limits and knows at his age and condition Dawson has some tools that disrupt him but after recent events, Pascal vs Dawson and Pascal vs Hopkins, I begining to think Hopkins can outsmart Dawson

Hopkins is cherry picking at the moment, but atleast his cherry picking is better than Cocaine picking. I got more respect for Hopkins fight Pascal, who regardless is tough, than Calzaghe who left the game all together once he finally got the recognition he deserved.

 

Hey ****, is that your best contribution

I was doing you a favour, as you are losing credit and your debate. Guess you havent learnt anything yet atsch

 

cool bailey man, its all good.

 

Yet again I think you are right swayz, I must admit you have done some very fair posts today, Calzaghe was terrible against Hopkins, having followed Calzaghe's career closely, I thought that the Hopkins fight was the worst big fight performance of his career and that is taking into consideration how streetwise Hopkins is, after the fight a local tv station in Wales was in the small front room of Calzaghe's sisters house {a family member anyway} and they were interviewing family members that had all been huddled round the tv watching the fight, Calzaghe's sister had just come off the phone to Joe and the tv people wanted to know what was said, she only wanted to know that he was ok and not hurt, the tv people said was Joe pleased he won and she said, he was disappointed with his performance, which was my take on it as well, that is why I am convinced that Calzaghe beats Hopkins at any point in their careers, if Hopkins could not beat him on that night he would never beat him.

I never heard stories of him missing training in his career, he used to train hard but not spar much in the latter part of his career due to his hands, yet his father had to give him a row before the Hopkins fight his motivation was going, he was publically talking about retirement , which is very bad for a boxer still active, his hands were gone as we know but his punch resistance as you say was also going, Calzaghe had always had an excellent chin, not good but excellent, because of his attacking style, throwing twenty punches without drawing breath on occasion then obviously he would leave himself open to counters, yet he only went down twice in his career prior to his last two fights, the Hopkins flash knockdown was just that, and its hard to say how hard he was hit but I have seen him take loads of similar punches over his career and barely move, the Jones one was a fluke he ducked into a forearm smash and that could have been that but he somehow got up and carried on.

I also think he retired at the right time, obviously a great champion with Calzaghe's determination and nous could have won another big fight if he could have got motivated and his hands had had time to heal, but the time was right, his father that had been with him every step of the way knew it and I think told him so, when there was talk of a comeback I saw a quote from his father saying he can find another trainer and cornerman he has had his time and he should stay retired.
Its not many boxers that retire at the right time but I think Calzaghe did.