Calzaghe or Hamed - who has the better legacy?

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  1. Dano

    Dano ATG Beltholder Full Member

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    Calzaghe at least has a legacy....I dont think what Hamed did in his career equates to any kind of legitimate legacy at all.
     
  2. El Cepillo

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  3. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    After Benn and Eubank faded from the scene, Hamed was the biggest and most popular name in British boxing. From about '95/96 up until retirement he was the main man.

    It is true that most Americans will only remeber him for losing to Barrera, but that says less about him and more about them. If that is how someone views Hamed than they are nothing more than casual fans of the sport.

    I avoid talking about the prison sentence, it has nothing to do with boxing, and there are plenty of boxers who have done a lot worse things or at least things that are comprable. I'm not going to see that guy is a great human being or law abiding citizen, but we all make mistakes and he has paid his debt to society.
     
  4. Suge Green

    Suge Green Boxing Junkie banned

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    You made some decent responses to some of the other posters, but I don't like this one.

    There is no way in hell that someone's view on Hamed is any type of litmus test as to their degree of boxing fandom.

    This is actually insane...and it would be just as foolish if any other boxer's name was inserted there instead of Hamed.

    A perspective on one fighter, hardly sums up what type of fan someone is.
     
  5. Boxing Fanatic

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    Not one of u have Hamed's legacy. So, look who's talking.:roll:
     
  6. Suge Green

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    Yeah, that's intelligent.

    Since Hamed's "legacy" doesn't compare to Joe C., let's compare it to posters...
    :roll:
     
  7. mattress

    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hamed was undoubtedly blessed with great reflexes, power and speed. Unfortunately, he believed his own hype and felt that he'd do better away from Brendan Ingle. Bad advice or choice?

    His whole gameplan was built around his three great attributes and once any one left him he'd be in trouble against the best. His boxing skills weren't that great and he didn't seem to have a Plan B, nevermind C or D. I ain't saying that with Ingle he would have beaten the likes of Barrera but with Ingle his chances would surely been greater?

    He wasn't the first boxer who got too big for his boots and he sure as hell won't be the last but it's a damn shame when it does happen.
     
  8. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    You misunderstood what I wrote. My point was; if you have only seen one Hamed fight (I.e the Barrera fight) and your opinions of his career and his skills are based solely on that one fight, then that is a very flawed way in which to form an opinion.
     
  9. SnakeFist7

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    At the end of the day people will always bring up the fact that Roy was past it and hasn't done anything really since getting KTFO by Tarver in the 2nd fight. He is a shell of his former self, he was just so much of a physical specimen that he was able to do a little bit in the beginning of the fight.

    It would've been a better victory years ago, but Jones was a different fighter then, faster, had legs and his great reflexes. But no doubt Calzaghe is a hell of a fighter, but the Jones victory, is clearly the worst one if one thinks about it. It makes it worst that after the B-Hop fight Calzaghe said he was not going to fight Jones, how he is not a great fighter now, and way past his prime and hasn't performed at that level since way back then. He said it himself. Can't take away your words.
     
  10. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I understand the perspective on Hamed/Ingle. I personally just think that the love of the sport, the desire to compete, drained away fairly quickly after the Kevin Kelley fight. Even if Ingle had stuck around longer, I doubt that would have changed the mentality or approach of Hamed; who had cleaned out the division, was super famous, and had loads of money - he was just done, he had had enough. I also don't buy something which you hinted at, the "it's a shame" mentality with regards to Naz; he had a great career, loved by a lot of people, good legacy and a place in history. I think there are a few "what if's" but not many "it's a shame", if you get what I'm saying. :yep
     
  11. rooq

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    i think hamed has made a much bigger impression on boxing than calzaghe ever will.
    how many (both brit and non-brit) took up boxing because of naz?

    in that respect naz has the better legacy. if however you just want to look at each boxers record, then joe has the edge imo.
     
  12. Suge Green

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    Well, you did say "if that's how someone views..."

    ...not, "if that's how someone forms their perspective."

    ...but in any event, I now understand where you are coming from.
     
  13. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I think when you talk about legacy, you also have to also talk about fame and popularity and impact on the sport. In those three areas, Hamed is miles ahead of Calzaghe, who is only mildly popular amongst boxing fans, and barely known outside of those circles. Compare that with Hamed, in the late 1990's, who was known by everyone, even people who had never watched a boxing match in their lives. News of Hamed's fights were broadcast all over the world, he was HUGE in Japan for example.
     
  14. MJSaith1

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    Calzaghe is more humble, Naz is worse than Floyd.
     
  15. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Calzaghe's "two victories over American legends" are such a sham. Ok, he got the win over Hopkins, but it was hardly a good performance or a convincing victory (for either man, in fact). And Jones was shot five years ago, it was so blatantly obvious that Roy's reflexes were absolutely dead, his stamina was horrible, the win means little in my book. Calzaghe's wins over Jones and Hopkins, look good in the record books, but they aren't representative of his career as a whole. And the Jones Jr. fight does NOTHING for Calzaghe's legacy, except perhaps damage it by exposing Calzaghe as a cynical fraud.