Calzaghe or Hamed - who has the better legacy?

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  1. Boxing Fanatic

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    good point.:good
     
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  2. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Well, you know how I feel about Calzaghe. But I agree, he edges it.

    I think overall I was just disapointed that Calzaghe gets so much praise, and Hamed so little, when really in terms of legacy they are so close, and certainly more or less the same in terms of resume.

    The two things that stand out for me, is the 9 years it took Calzaghe to challenge for another world title after winning his first, and the 10 years it took before in fought in America. Whereas Hamed fought in America and went after another world title less than 2 years after winning his first.

    Like I said to that other guy, if Hamed had done a Calzaghe, I.e stayed in his home town for most of his career, defending his one title against D & C Level fighters, he would have preserved his unbeaten record and would probablly be getting as much praise as Calzaghe does these days! doesn't seem fair to me.

    Sorry, for the longgggg reply. :lol:
     
    El Cepillo, Dec 26, 2008
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  3. Boxing Fanatic

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    Good talking to ya. I got to go now. But, like me, u and many others, Naz was one of a kind, a special talent, who will be truly missed by this fight fan. He was great for boxing. People can't deny him that. Never. Peace out!:good
     
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  4. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    :good:hi:
     
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  5. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed hoya. and that was a great post.:good
     
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  6. Buggo

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    I couldn’t agree more, looking at Calzaghe’s career, pre 2006, Calzaghe only had 1 good name on his resume in Eubank. I am not one to say that Calzaghe fought bums all his life as he fought against some credible fighters in Brewer, Reid and Woodhall. However, Calzaghe reached 40-0 with these names as the stand out quality. By comparison Naz had achieved it all, unifying belts, against the most of the top fighters in his division, fighting in the US etc, by the age of 26.

    However, this topic is in terms of overall legacy, so we must include Calzaghe 2006 onwards and 26+ Naz.

    26+ Naz made a couple of more defences before losing to Barrera. However, it is not this defeat which diminishes his legacy, but the way in which he never really tried to come back and fight against the best again.

    Calzaghe went on to beat the ‘next big thing’ in Lacy (from then on classed as one dimensional), and went on to unify the division by beating Kessler. His reign as SM Champion and 21 defences ends as he goes to the US and beats and old and shot Hopkins (classed as such by many until after the Pavlik fight) and an old and shot RJJ. His 0 still in tact, Calzaghe can still add more credibility to his record with a final victory in front of his own fans providing he fights a good quality fighter.
     
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  7. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    A very good post :good
     
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  8. Adaptation

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    Calzaghe will be remembered more, but Naseem's fight will be watched more due to his style.
     
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  9. Taylex

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    If more people watch Naz fights in future years then he will be remembered more.
     
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  10. El Cepillo

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    For sure, I can't see many people thinking to themselves "I'm going to go re-watch Calzaghe vs. Hopkins because it was such an exciting fight!" or "Wow, wasn't Calzaghe vs Manfredo and absolute war!". Whereas I can see people in the future wanting to watch the one punch KO's, ridiculous over-the-top entrances, and just generally thrilling and entertaining fights that Naz was a part of :bbb
     
    El Cepillo, Dec 26, 2008
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  11. Bill Butcher

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    Im actually one of the very few that rank both Calzaghe AND Hamed as special fighters, the only difference was Naz quit at 28 because he couldnt come to terms with his first loss.

    Naseem Hamed had the potential to be the best post war British fighter but the way it worked out in the end, that accolade goes to Joe Calzaghe.

    2 great fighters.
     
    Bill Butcher, Dec 26, 2008
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  12. Brickhaus

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    Calzaghe, but just barely, almost entirely on the basis of his win over Hopkins. He could still drop back down below Hamed if he gets spanked in his next fight.
     
    Brickhaus, Dec 26, 2008
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  13. mstar

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    exactly joe by a mile what a waste of a topic on ESB:patsch
     
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  14. Permy

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    Calzaghe by a country mile !
     
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  15. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    This is the bull**** I was talking about really. Everyone just assumes there is a big difference between the two, without actually looking at the issue closely. Hamed and Calzaghe have very similar achivements, and comprable resumes.
     
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