I'm gonna put this argument to bed! Joe's beaten Hopkins, Joe's beaten Jones and Joe would damn well OWN Toney! People keep thinking Toney would beat Joe? WHY!?!?! Joe has better speed, Joe has better upper body movement, Joe is more technical and above all Joe has far far greater footwork! Yes! Yes he does, he throws punches from angles pro boxers aren't familiar with his footing is that good - the man even bewildered Hopkins!!!! "Shut up Sarah, you wash some dishes!" Will be the response and they'll proclaim Toney better but they won't explain HOW Toney would be better. The only thing Toney does equal or better than Joe Calzaghe is slip punches.... This content is protected Joe will not stand there and be hit by Toney's combinations like Holyfield. Joe has better footwork. Joe is faster. Joe is more disciplined. Joe is all round the better boxer. Joe throws more punches. Toney fought an old weathered Holyfield and beat him...on the inside....INSIDE!!! How the **** does he beat Joe Calzaghe!?!? HOW!?!?!?!? He doesn't. He does not. Never. 50/60 fights whatever I don't care he doesn't win it's that simple. He doesn't get Koe'd but he gets outworked. OUTWORKED! Case closed. :deal
Calzaghe wouldn't massively outwork Toney, he'd just outbox him with ease. Toney used to have a good output at lower weights, he was just easy to outbox. Calzaghe would be the counter-puncher.
you should fing some footage of a young James toney and do your homework I am not saying that Toney would be a shoe in, but i am saying that this is no lock for Joe
Again, no stylistic comparison just assumptions. This is all too common on ESB no one looks at styles and assesses its all based on popular conception. (Fair responses by CHJ & Bronx though!:good)
I'm just laughing that you state he would easily beat Toney. Joe has a good style to beat Toney but not easily. especially a young Toney.
Toney in his day had excellent technical and countering abilities, He also possessed better hand speed power and chin than did Calzhage add Toney's slick inside the pocket or on the ropes genius and you have yourself a late TKO by Toney.
James Toney is/was a quality operator on the inside and Calzaghe's pride would see him try and go blow for blow at times. This would be costly with Toney's granite chin not feeling the effects of his windmill type punches and he would gradually break Joe down with hurtful head shots and take a close UD.
Not just out worked either in my view. Toney relies on his opponents being slower in handspeed than him so he can fox them, if you look at the RJJ example, he couldn't deal with the handspeed. While Jones Jr is definitely faster, the speed difference is not so massive that we can take a lot from that fight as an example. Calzaghe would not knock Toney out at any point in his career. Toney would not knock Calzaghe out at any point of his career. Toney would be in the unenviable position of being the slower fighter and lesser boxer, like he was against Jones Jr.
as if your threads weren't outrageous enough because of the content, now you can't even spell the title correctly.
Agree with this, he was a master at the shoulder roll and counter. Do not agree with this, Toney never had the handspeed of Calzaghe - even Calzaghe at 35-36. He also didn't throw at the angles that Calzaghe throws out, most of Toney's fight style relied on making his opponent miss so he could land a few shots and move back. Calzaghe managed to land on Hopkins who is better at this than Toney could hope to be. Toney's genius came in the fact that he fought guys who were old and probably past their used by date, making himself seem a much better talent than he ever was. His tendency to go cold in matches and the fact that he lost against RJJ based on his inability to make RJJ miss makes me think you over-rate the guy. Toney at 160 was impressive for about four to five fights, before the weight ballooning happened. At 168, he wasn't a force.