Calzaghe resume = Hopkins resume?

haha i fail. didn't notice my manatsch

i think his resume would have been honestly serve if he had taken on ottke (impossible i know), jones jr (obviously), reid in a rematch, glen johnson and hopkins from 99-2003 era. you're right, making the list there aren't that many he can be accused of avoiding

 

I agree with you about Winky. But not at all with Tarver. At 41, Hopkins moved up 2 weight classes to fight a younger man and dominated him. Calzaghe moved up a weight class, yes, but fought an older guy and took a split decision.

 

Most people realize that Hopkins has been well past his prime fighting days for a long time. Anything he does now, and in the recent past is gravy. If he loses, such as to Taylor and Calzaghe it is viewed as what should happen when a guy is 40 + and still boxing. The fact that he can put a whipping on a young Pavlik or a bigger Tarver is viewed as him overcoming huge obstacles and still winning. That is the difference.

 

NOW, only if you could be as critical of joes wins :rofl:rofl:rofl

Being as skeptical as you.....

Roy Jones - way past his prime
B hop - way past his prime
Kessler - shown to be overrated. Prospect Ward made him his *****, also has never beaten a very good fighter
Lacy - shown to be overrated. Has never beaten a good fighter

See, i can **** on peoples acheivments too :dead

 

Hopkins defended the WBC/WBA/IBF titles five times.
He then stopped De La Hoya and held all four titles at the same time and defended that title one more time.
Joe on the other hand unified the WBC/WBA/WBO titles in his last fight at the weight. He hardly made a concerted effort to make himself the man at the weight, did he?
And I don't count either of them as two weight world champions.

 

it was obviously a weak division

ottke may have looked good on his resume but joe couldn't get him in the ring in all honesty ottke wasn't a top fighter

glen johnson has lost 13 fights, i think if joe had beaten him at the time then people would have ranked that win on joes resume next to tocker pudwill

with roy, i don't know, it seems like both fighters were happy to stay in their own comfort zones in their own countries. in truth, i don't know much about any negotiations that took place between them.

and with hopkins, it sounds like a deal had been agreesd but hopkins went back on a 3 million deal and demanded 6 million.

i'd agree that reid deserved a re-match.

maybe, joe could have moved weights earlier or started calling out some welterweights to beat up

 

Yea, too bad that its all speculation.....

Hop is ATG
Cal is HOF

Hop dosent need to prove anything to anyone questioning his greatness

Calzaghes career has more question marks than the riddelers cat suit - to quote froch

What prime hof fighter has calzaghe ever beaten?
NONE

 

and what prime hof fighters has bernard beaten that didn't come from lighterweights than him?

it seems to me like everytime he fought a top fighter at his own weight, he lost - jones, taylor x2, calzaghe.

 

haha dick. yeah the division was really weak but that still should have motivated joe to fight the only handful of real fighters the division had to offer. i agree that joe should not be punished for his division being lacking but, like holmes, he shouldn't be rewarded for it. simply enough, his fault or not, his resume is barren and for someone with only two signature wins, over a b- and b+ fighter respectively, he shouldn't be ranked that highly. on the other hand, some fighters, like ricardo lopez, ruled **** divisions as well but looked magnificent doing it. calzaghe didn't