Calzaghe says he will retire after RJJ: the ultimate ducking move against Pavlik?

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  1. pugilist64

    pugilist64 Guest

    Where were all those Calzaghe picks now Xavier???
     
  2. Xavier

    Xavier Boxing Logician Full Member

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    Duh. I've already mentioned that Lacy was over-hyped. He was coming off the back of two KO's in a weak division and was built up as the new Tyson.

    All the links you've pointed to prove nothing - it's a typical Calslappy fan job. Like I said before, you can't just look at the common consensus of writers. A large slew of them weren't familiar with Slappy Joe anyway - he wasn't a well-branded fighter in the US. Expectations of him were low. Those that had seen him in action and didn't buy into the hype machine that was Jeff Lacy weren't so quick to throw out KO's on his behalf.

    All your bullspit ain't gonna change that, no matter how much you want it to. Let your beloved Slappy take on a real challenge like Pavlik instead of 40-something nobodies that need a respirator between rounds to survive or look astonishingly bad whilst overcoming Prince Badi Ajamu.

    Then he might actually achieve something that's worthy of all the fake credit you wanna give him.
     
  3. Eastcoast

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    People will always pick Joe to lose against a big puncher like they did with Lacy and Kessler. No Darwinism at work here I suppose.

    Meantime I think Pavlik still being overrated. He nearly got knocked out by Taylor. The same Taylor who looked like **** against Spinks and Ouma. I'll pick Abraham over Pavlik, and I'm not sure Pavlik will beat Hopkins. Bernard's going to be physically stronger in this fight than Pavlik, has the defense to nullify Kelly's attack, and can land some lethal counter punching on Kelly. Unlike Taylor, Hopkins would be more efficient at finishing off a wounded Pavilk. This was a stupid move on Arum's part.
     
  4. TFFP

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    Well if the writers aren't enough for you, the majority of this forum also picked him.

    So yes, the consensus was that Lacy was going to knock out Calzaghe and expose the hypejob, when infact the complete reverse was true
     
  5. pugilist64

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    Answer the question. Where are all the experts picking Calzaghe liked you claimed??? Show us the links.
     
  6. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Calzaghe called Pavlik out after his first fight with JT. Before any other fights were made, and before JT made it clear he would exercise his rematch clause with KP, Slappy Joe made a fight with BHop.

    Calzaghe's claim that he offered Pavlik a fight after he beat Lacy sounds like total bull****. No one has ever produced the details of this alleged offer.

    As far as getting labed a "ducker" Joe cooked his own goose with his own mouth.

    Roll this video clip forward to 6:30. It's been posted a thousand times, but most Calzaghe fans refuse to watch, or acknowledge it. Here's the link. For some reason I can't get it to embed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWDtzdAYTOA
     
  7. TFFP

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    It won't embed because you've filled the quota for bull**** YouTube videos you've posted it so many times
     
  8. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    Only if he fought Pavlik would he ever be considered as special as Jones or Hopkins.
     
  9. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    If you actually watched it you need to acknowledge the facts, but like most eurofans, you're impervious to them.
     
  10. TFFP

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    What does he say? I've probably seen it.

    Law of averages says I have, you've posted this video sixty eight times this last week.
     
  11. Xavier

    Xavier Boxing Logician Full Member

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    Not disputing that. The majority of boxing folks (including loads on these forums) also picked Cotto to ice Margo - in spite of the dramatic size difference they felt Cotto's power would be enough. It wasn't, and it turned out to be a crushing victory for Antonio.

    But now what does that actually prove? That writers and pundits can get it wrong? That fighters that are (for the moment) the clear media favourites are infallible?

    See what's happening is that a lot of Calslappy fans are using this to try to justify Joe's superiority over certain competition (a prime B-hop or RJJ, Kelly Pavlik). This is really reaching.

    The argument goes, since Lacy was so hyped to win and then got systematically shut-out for 12 rounds - the same thing would happen to Pavlik. This ignores the fact that Pavlik and JL are in different leagues - and anyone who watches them fight who knows what they are watching can tell you that. They don't really fight alike at all. And they have totally different body shapes which change the pattern of the fight.

    That Joe has beaten an old Hopkins (who's probably going to have his skull re-arranged by Pavlik) really doesn't amount to a can of beans at this point. I don't blame him for taking the fight with RJJ, since it means easy cash and a feather in his cap; but from a boxing point of view it can hardly be meaningful.

    But he could make one fight now that would silence his critics. And if they didn't remain silent in the event of him making it - I too, would join the Calslappy bandwagon. Hell I'd give him Kudos just for taking the damn fight in the first place.

    And that fight is with Kelly Pavlik. Until then, I'm afraid all the huffing and puffing of the Calslappy faithful just won't convince me of his status.

    I'd be the first one to commend him on his bravery for simply taking the fight, let alone winning (which I don't think he can). :bbb
     
  12. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Watch the ****in' thing!
     
  13. TFFP

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    It proves nothing, except a lot of people can not be taken seriously when it comes to accurately predicting the outcome of a Joe Calzaghe fight - whether he's fighting Kyle Pavlik or my gran.

    They are just too blinkered
     
  14. pugilist64

    pugilist64 Guest

    You`re back Xavier!! You wanna display those links buddy??
     
  15. TFFP

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    Just give me a transcript will you, just the details you'd consider important