Calzaghe says he will retire after RJJ: the ultimate ducking move against Pavlik?

it's funny that Imperial1 is always in the thread of Pavlik trying to downgrade Kelly

 

No doubt but I also give credit where credit is due ..I just don't subscribe to the bias mentality of some fans who like to actually discredit very accomplish boxers such as Joe and eleveate johnny come latelys to atg status like thy do with Pavlik ..

 

Pavlik is 26 and is the undisputed, unified 160 champion. How old was Calslappy when he unified again :think

If Pavlik had been of the same mind as Calslappy he'd have gone for the worthless WBO 160 belt when it became available and defended it against bums for 10 years and then stepped up....but no he took on the universally recognised best guy at the weight - twice. The same guy that twice beat the guy that Calslappy just struggled with in the biggest fight of his career.

I'll borrow you a calculator if you need one :good

 

Nobody is talking ATG status here. Calslappy is NOT an ATG, and neither is Pavlik. However Pavlik I suspect will at least take the necessary chances to try to become one, whereas Calslappy never has.

 

He only has 1 signifigant opponent in Taylor 1 !!

Other than Taylor who else did he beat ?


And Joe beat anyone who was worth mentioning in his division ! Call the WBO worthless all you want but when Pavlik has defended his title more than 10 times then come talk to me ..And that guy that Joe just struggled with also gave Taylor fits as well ..But let me guess you scored both fights UD for Taylor right ?

 

I predicted the first fight would be a SD for Taylor and was right....how the hell could I score it a UD by the way, please explain that to me? The second fight Taylor CLEARLY won. Calslappy didn't clearly beat Hopkins, not by any stretch of the imagination - and this was a far worse version of Hopkins to the one Taylor fought, and he also dropped Calslappy for good measure and hurt him several times. The amusing thing is, Calslappy had to wait for old man Hopkins to tire before he got a grip in the fight, Hopkins had to wait for Taylor to tire before he got to him - what does that tell you about the ability of Calslappy compared to Taylor :think

Joe didn't beat everyone that was worth mentioning in his division at all. He ducked Johnson twice and never fought Lucas as I recall, along with a few others along the way. Go look back at the 168 champions from 1997-2005 and tell me how many of them Calslappy faced?

Defending the WBOgus belt 10 times or whatever amount of bull**** defences Calslappy had is ****ing meaningless. The fact of the matter is he had chances earlier in his career to take on the very best and ducked them EVERY SINGLE TIME. Of course now he's fought Hopkins and will finally face Jones the Calslappy fans are all crowing, but anyone with a memory and a nose can smell bull****.

 

Given that the initial comment was "Pavlik has taken more risks than Calzaghe", Imperial is right. Taking on Taylor was not a matter of Pavlik voluntarily "taking a risk" it was the route he had to go through to get the title. Since then in terms of defences: Reid, Sheika, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Kessler vs... Gary Lockett. Not quite the same is it?

Pavlik isn't undisputed (though I see him as the true champion in that weight class) and he has never unified a title, he just happened to beat a champ who held two belts so that is a pointless comparison. Sturm (who I'm not interested in seeing him fight) and Abraham (who I definitely am) are out there if Kelly wants to take risks against rival belt holders.

I like Kelly, his all action style and willingness to fight make him a real throwback but let''s not go making completely unrealistic remarks. And I stick by my original point. There's always going to be some young up and comer that Calz (or anyone else who retires on top) will be accused of dodging. If he retired 18 months ago it would have been Kessler, 18 months before that it would have been Lacy. Bottom line, he's nearly 37, has secured his legacy and his money and if he wants to bow out gracefully with one last big payday, why begrudge him?

 

How on earth can you duck somebody by getting injured? What is a guy supposed to do fight with a broken wrist? Johnson as a super middleweight wasn't worth mentioning in any case, his record at that weight was 5-6! By the time this fight was mooted, Johnson was a light heavy. At 168 Calzaghe hammered several better guys than him so I don't know why Johnson is being mentioned.

Please enlighten me as to who these "very best" actually are. By 2006, the top 3 at super middle were 1. Calzaghe, 2. Kessler, 3. Lacy. JC beat them both. It doesn't get much better than that. Hopkins was still top dog at 175. Jones is meaningless at this stage.

 

Pavlik is neither unified nor undisputed. To be undisputed he would have to beat Abraham. That would give him claim to be A unified champ but not technically THE unified champ. After all, he only holds the WBC and the WBOgus belts right? If Joe gets **** for holding on to the WBO belt for years and fighting **** mandatories, why isn't KP getting **** for fighting his WBO (the belt that dosen't really mean anything right?) mandatory in Lockett?

Then again, you'd probably claim that Lockett would be the biggest challenge Calzaghe ever faced. Pavlik is the lineal champ, end of.

 

Seriously, i need to throw my 2 cents on this topic:

Calzaghe is a good fighter and thats clear, he did do his thing at S.Middle when no one else was. He was someone that stayed in the division when many fighters came and went at S.Middle and really no one knew him until he beat Lacey, and lets be real, Lacey is no elite fighter.

I have no problem with people saying that Calzaghe is all dat, cause he obviously good, but thats all he is really, really good, not great (and thats a fact.) People talk **** about Taylor's wins over Hopkins but those wins were more convincing at a more meaningful point than Calzaghe's win (which i scored 114-113, 7-5 Calzaghe.)

Finally what im trying to say is that Pavlik clearly beats Calzaghe, and he and his dad know it. Why was Calzaghe calling Pavlik out religiously before the Lockett fight and then after Kelly destroyed him, he's now saying hes gonna retire after fighting a clearly diminished Jones!

I understand that Calzaghe is getting old, and wont blame him for not fighting Pavlik, but to say that he will beat Pavlik at this point is ludicrous. Pavlik convincingly beat Taylor 2x including a devastating knockout, and Taylor was a man that beat Hopkins 2x.

I am not someone that subscribes to the "this guy beat this guy so therefore he beat that guy" but if you look at the way Taylor beat Hopkins, which was by outpointing him early and hanging in there til the end! Pavlik will outpoint early and (as much as i dont wanna say it) possibly knock him out late just cause Pavlik had great stamina.

Hopkins will no doubt try to out-wit Pavlik, and honestly everyone in the sport respects Hopkins' professionalism and experience even Pavlik and Loew have said it, meaning that there will be moments where Hopkins will show that, but at the end of day Pavlik will stop Hopkins.

Calzaghe will lose to Pavlik. He knows that, his dad knows that, and everyone that knows anything about this matchup knows that, and its abundantly clear that Calzaghe knows that.

Why all the calling out, and then after one fight, Calzaghe is talking about retiring? I mean a year ago Calzaghe fought Peter Manfredo! Peter Manfredo! A guy that lost 2x to a mediocre jr.Middleweight! So why would Calzaghe clearly duck a guy that everyone wants him to fight? Pavlik has said it, Loew has said it, everyone wants this fight, so why would Calzaghe try and downplay Pavlik? Its obvious, he does want to fight Pavlik, and we that read between the lines see it!

Pavlik 12rd UD.

 

this ****er is turning into a floyd

 

Gotta love boxing fans..... the only place where an undefeated champion is a "bum", and the keyboard warriors are champions!

 

PAVLIK IS UNDISPUTED

 

Kessler IS better than Pavlik, but who gives a ****. Why can't Calzaghe prove it, and beat him.

This would be a huge fight, with loads of money and publicity involved, and a win would pretty much cement Calzagh'e legacy.

Calzaghe has been one of my favourite fighters of the past few years, but if he does not take this fight having pulled a ***** move in fighting Jones, then he deserves every bit of criticism he gets, and does not deserve a good legacy.

 

The undisputed champion at 160??!!

He`s held the WBC/WBO titles for 11 months,hasn`t fought Abraham(IBF) or Strum(WBA) champions but you`ve elevated his to undisputed champion.

Mind you if he`s got stars and stripes underpants and the other champions haven`t then naturally he`s king of the ring. :yep