Calzaghe should be p4p#1 or 2 if Hatton beats PBF

Shouldn't Calzaghe move up in weight to get into the top 5 ?

I mean isn't usually meant for fighters who have been successful at diffrent weight clasess ?Though I do beleive there is a strong case for him now due to his title defenses and him being undefeated but he still needs that little extra .A win over Kessler surly gives him a strong case ..

 

This thread although intended as a pisstake, contains some truth.

Particularly, it is practically seen as illegal not to rate Mayweather number one right now, thanks to the American media. Mayweather loses and the door opens for the likes of Calzaghe to claim top spot.

 

No, you can be like Duran, rated based on dominance at one weight-class. Moving between weights just means you are good at moving between weights.

 

I see absolutely no way someone could rank Calzaghe over Hatton if they win their bouts.

 

Kessler UD. Hatton UD.

 

It also fits p4p ..I mean Sugar Ray Robinson was the epitomy of that ..Look where he started and looked where ended ..I think this is why Floyd and Manny are held in such higher regards than most of their peers ..I never thought P4P meant just wins once u broke it all down ..

 

There is a reason Hatton has no chance.

But even so, Calzaghe shouldn't be punish if Mayweather has an off day,

 

I think P4P doesn't HAVE to include hopping weight classes, but it sure does help. All the P4P system does is try to determine the "best" boxer in the world...which is definately more likely if the guy pulls a Mayweather and runs through 130-154 winning belts, as opposed to a guy who defends the WBO belt in a non-traditional division for how many years...?

Winning + dominance in multiple weight classes > winning + dominance in a single weight class, all things created equal.

For the record, just cause Mayweather loses to Hatton doesn't mean he even has to lose that #1 spot (though he most likely will). If Hatton pulls out an SD or cut stoppage, etc or somehow wins in close/controversial fashion, that isn't signalling the end of it for PBF.

Even if you use the ...European? (Whoever they are, those that try to deride American fighters for having "inferior skills" even though they have superior resumes) approach to P4P where you draw all sorts of silly graphs and plot the "slope between a boxer's ability and his weightclass", PBF comes out on top, because if he loses a close one to a peak Hatton that's not exactly a big insult to his skills. The facts are that Mayweather's skills are stll superior to those of Joe Calzaghe, so if you're going to use the "skills per pound" rating system then JC still doesn't top Mayweather.

That system actually makes JC look WORSE because it takes into account that Mayweather might lose while being technically superior to his opponent, which would mean he would get to to keep his #1 ranking as the "best". Just cause you drop a fight doesn't mean you aren't the most skillful boxer in the world, especially if it is to a prime and dangerous opponent.

IF, on the other hand, you use the traditional "resume" approach to P4P (the one that some fans claim is tainted by the dreaded "circle jerk", but that's a different topic) then yeah, a loss to Hatton looks worse than it would otherwise.

But if you're talking about resume, then how the hell do you plan to rate Joe Calzaghe over Floyd Mayweather, Jr.? I'm NO fan of PBF, in fact I hope he gets KTFO soon, but the man has an arguably ATG resume.

If you plan to claim that there are only "shot"/"incomplete"/"overrated" fighters on PBF's resume, then where does that leave you when you want to rank him below a guy whose biggest win is Jeff Lacy? :good

 

Read my post... IF they win their bouts.

 

If Hatton and Calzaghe both win and Pac loses then they will both be #1 and #2 on the p4p list. I would lean toward Calzaghe though because of his longer reign and he has shown more dominance (even against very good fighters like Eubank and Lacy).

 

wish it was as easy as this

 

If Calzaghe beats Kesser, he has ONE good win. Let's say that Lacy is a legit win, that's two good wins.

When was his last good win before that?

You can't become P4P #1 through two or three "good wins" over a span of NEARLY TEN YEARS.

Mayweather has fought more credible opponents since the start of 2006 than Calzaghe has fought in his entire career. JC's resume has NOTHING on PBF's, even if JC beats Kessler and PBF loses to Hatton.

And don't even try to compare JC's skills to those of PBF...if JC had skills that were even in the same LEAGUE as PBF's, he would've fought some real contenders, and probably ditched the weak-ass division he's been camping in for a decade to get some legacy-cementing fights.

PBF finds competition - JC has avoided it throughout his career.

 

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