Calzaghe should fight Dawson in Wales and then retire

Somone call the board nurse,we`ve one on the loose.

 

You can never be too young to be taken to school!:bart

 

So why does he deserve a shot against Calzaghe more than a rematch with hopkins (for calzaghe). I dont see Dawson knocking on the door with any great force for this match to be a must.

Dawson just squeaked past Johnson but would not entertain a rematch.
He virtually shut out a worse shot Tarver than roy was and there is talk of them doing it again :huh

Remember a shot roy is a better fighter than a shot Tarver. The roy that showed up last night would have beaten the tarver that fought dawson imo.

 

What impressed me about Dawson was what Bernstein said about Tarver. He said he didn't particularly look bad in the fight against Dawson it was just that Chad dominated him so thoroughly. I pretty much agree with that statement.

 

That is your opinion, but Dawson has fought 4 legitimate contenders, he is definitely worthy, more worthy than Bute, Diaconu, or Taylor. It comes down to is he "financially worthy" in which he isn't.

Yes Dawson is that outstanding challenger despite some question marks about his chin, when in fact there is many good fighters out there that also have question marks about their chin. It really is just criticism, Dawson is battle tested and people seem to forget he fought a war with Glen Johnson. Dawson beat solid opposition, has a title belt, is considered one of the top 3 lhws, and has a VERY GOOD shot at beating Calzaghe. Now is fighting Dawson financially worth it? No.

There both shot, but at least Tarver was throwing punches while Jones was hardly throwing any. As for taking it easy, were just having a debate that's all, I suggest you take it easy.:hi:

 

Where did I say he deserves a shot more than Hopkins does? He deserves a shot I'll tell you that.

Tarver had a rematch clause in his contract because he was champion with Dawson which is why they might have to do it again.

Roy is my favorite fighter but if he just sits back on the ropes and doesn't throw punches then he isn't beating even a shot Tarver. He didn't throw punches in their third fight and he was less past it then. I'll admit that Tarver is shot himself but based on the statistics he did better against Dawon than Roy did with Joe.

 

:blood The Roy that showed up last night would've been beaten up worse than Tarver if he was fighting Dawson. He would've been KTFO.

 

With all possible respect to Dawson, he ain't no Calzaghe.
Tarver would have looked worse against Calzaghe than roy did. Tarver looked spent after a few rounds with Dawson how will he handle Calzaghe's output.
Roy likes a rest in rounds, now more than ever I would say, Tarver is not likely to provide enough pressure to back Jones up on the ropes and if he does he does not throw enough to keep him there. Jones could move pretty much anywhere he liked against the Tarver that fought Dawson.

My point about hopkins or dawson deserving the shot is that right now there is no clear opponent for calzaghe. There is no fighter who stands above the others head and shoulders for calzaghe. You may think Dawson has earned a shot my point is he is not smashing the door down with great performances with people saying yeah it HAS TO BE DAWSON NEXT.
Many have totally discounted Dawson and stated that Hopkins is the only fight left.

 

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2) I agree that Diaconu and the Johnson rematch should happen (btw. my impression was Dawson attempted it, but Diaconu pulled out :hey ). Problem is that by the time they do, Joe won't be around. By beating Johnson and Tarver Dawson proved more than by could ever have by beating Diaconu or rematching Johnson (especially given that Diaconu looked like absolute garbage in his last fight against a nobody).

3) According to many on this forum, the ducking and cherrypicking world championship title goes to Calzaghe. So even if we agree that Dawson was ducking 'The Shark' that only makes him more like Calzaghe. In your book, that can't be a bad thing right?

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Check out your reply to my post. You might find not so subtle traces of 'patronising' there. If you're dishing out medicine, be prepared to take some.

That I don't deny. People with the wrong attitude could unfairly argue that the same also applies to the great Mr. Decebal

The essence of your argument is - if you loose to Dawson, you are a shot fighter. Brilliant and innovative thought! Obviously, Dawson, his entire career, has done nothing but beaten shot fighters. So he is a bum.

Alternatively, if you allow for the fact that (perhaps) Dawson might have beaten someone who is not shot, then he is always not (Decebal)proven. How do you prove yourself? Well, you've outlined it above - you take a shot from Diaconu and stay standing.

But ****, Calzaghe didn't take a shot from The Shark either... By the overpowering logic of your argument, Calzaghe is (Decebal)unproven.

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The funny thing is I think we agree in all but our assessment of Dawson. The latter is ultimately subjective (de gustibus non est disputandum) so I agree - no need to 'discuss' further.

 

I dunno, Dawson has more single shot power than Calzaghe but he would have been hit a helluva lot more by jones than calzaghe was.
The jones that showed up last night would have been a lot more competitive than Tarver was.

Would Dawson have got up after a 1st round knock down against Jones if the roles reversed?

I agree that Dawson would be favourite to beat Roy last night. Knocked out I am not so sure. Dawson is not as active as calzaghe so roy has more chance for rest and to pick his shots. Calzaghe does not give you that time.

 

What would you rather see Dawson/Calzaghe or Calzaghe/Hopkins? I'd rather see Dawson/Calzaghe, but Dawson doesn't have the credentials in some peoples opinions (which is proven false), and certainly doesn't have that star status yet. Also he fights on Showtime and his promoter is cheap and a *****.

But the possibility of Calzaghe vs Hopkins is really high because the money is there. Seriously Hopkins should be retired by now.

 

It takes two to tango and performances are always relative. You're saying 'Woods froze' I can say 'Tarver froze him out'. The truth is in the eye of the beholder... I think Tarver is still a dangerous fighter. And so (to a lesser extent) is Woods. Both would comfortably beat the vast majority of fighters in LHW, IMHO.

 

Did you watch the fight last night? Lampley and company kept mentining a possible fight with Dawson after the fight.

Roy looked spent after three rounds against Joe. It wasn't that he likes to rest, I thought the same thing but that would mean he just rested for the whole fight except for the first and second rounds. Tarver would outbox old Roy like he did in their third fight, because Roy would be content with laying on the ropes for most of the fight like he has for his whole comeback. Dawson is twice the Light Heavyweight Champion of the world and I know he deserves a shot. Many other fighters far less worthy have gotten a shot at Joe in his career.

 

Again, a post ago we read how Woods froze... Now Tarver freezes and doesn't do the obvious. This is friggin magic! Better than Harry Potter.

How about, the reason Tarver didn't do anything is because Dawson was too quick to let him do anything. And the reason Woods froze was because Tarver didn't allow him to do anything... No magic required, thank you.

 

Tarver beat Woods earlier this year and without looking it up I'm going to assume Woods was a top 10 guy at that moment. Jones doesn't beat Tarver now. Tarver has Jones number and Jones has declined every bit as much as Tarver. I misread your comments about Calzaghe putting off retirement as a financial thing. Simple mistake-my fault. But all my points still stand. Dawson is a very worthy challenge to Calzaghe and has a legit shot at beating him. If Calzaghe continues to fight than Dawson is clearly on the shortlist of potential opponents.