Agreed that he landed more punches. But they were wothless. Hence the reason Hopkins was never in trouble. At the end of most rounds, Joe took the worst of it, even if he landed a few more punches. EFFECTIVENESS. Not to mention, there is ring generalship and defense used to score rounds as well, ESPECIALLY in a fight like this one was. One fighter looked more crafty, more defensive, stronger, more effective, more controlling, more comfortable, more professional and less hurt. And he lost.
Your right im not a knowledgable boxing fan, im an actuall boxer! thanks for pointing that out. im not talking aggression, well actually lets mention aggression, at least joe came to fight, but thats not the point, all im saying is joe connected with more punches on hopkins than any other fighter has, thats fact simple, punch stats dont lie, you cant argue with puch stats. weather they are hard, or just fluke a landed punch is a scoring punch.
Fair enough mate, this is just a difference in personal opinion for how a fight should be scored. You preferred Calzaghe's walking forward, flurrying his hands, I preferred Hopkins's nullifying of Calzaghe's attacks, his cleaner punches, his more skilled and effective work. Quantity v Quality. Both viewpoints are valid in this day and age considering the judges and majority of the fans seem to sway towards Quantity now. It's sad for purists, but it does seem to be the reality of scoring these days.
My new favorite poster. Sometimes I feel a fighter could turn around and swing at the ringpost 200 times and get credit for the round simply because he "outhustled" the other guy.
Well perhaps you have taken to many punches to the head and cannot hear properly, because before every televised major bout, it is stated that the bout will be scored on clean, EFFECTIVE punching. Or youre an amateur boxer where every landed punch counts. But this bout took place in the professional ranks.
You say you're knowledgable, and then you say you can't argue with punch stats. I don't think you know how Compubox works mate. OF COURSE you can dispute punch stats! You can dispute how they are calculated, and you can dispute the validity of the punch stat verdicts. I have long disputed how Compubox counts up blocked punches, I have long disputed the value of knowing punch stats (if fighter A hits fighter B with 20 feather-fisted slaps, 11 of them blocked, 9 landed, and fighter throws 6 punches and lands them all - did fighter A win the round? Obviously not. But the "punch stats" would lie then, wouldn't they??) I'm not getting into a debate on Compubox, if you value it then fine, I don't believe it has any value whatsoever, it is meaningless and woefully inaccurate and ill-equipped to meaningfully measure the quantity and types of punches.
My new favourite poster!! When you really get down to it, fans of the SWEET SCIENCE think Joe Calzaghe won because (a) he walked forward a lot, and (b) he moves his hands around a lot. He achieved absolutely nothing against Hopkins at any point. Is this the SWEET SCIENCE?!??!?! If it is, I'm looking for a new sport.
I sat with the ESPN crew during the Manfredo-Spina/Green-Ravelo co-feature literally two feet behind the compubox crew. Its two old men with souped up playstation two controllers. They actually use the analog sticks just like you would in fight night to score the punching. Not an exact science by any stretch of the imagination. And, they dont take into account power or impact. Ravelo landed punches that night, Green landed bombs. But on the compubox chart, they would be the same. Its a guide. Just a guide. And one filled with fallacies.
I didnt say i was knowlegable i was told that im not! dont talk to me like im thick, you seem to dispute alot about boxing you must be a bit of a guru to actually argue with the way boxing is SCORED ! end of the day answer this, i dont want opinion i want fact WHO WON THE BLOODY FIGHT????
Ok for anybody who thinks that hopkins won that fight, I defy you to point out where exactly in that 2 minute video did hopkins actually throw a punch?? seriously, at least calzaghe was trying to fight....all hopkins wanted to do was give joe a big cuddly hug
I didn't start this thread to debate the fight. Calzaghe won. It's not even debatable if you watch the fight closely. It was more about the myth that he is just a slapper, especially in the Hopkins fight where he clearly did land more clean/effective punches than B-hop, as well as controlling the ring.
Dont br so bloody petty mate and no im not an amature. i may not agree with the way punches are scored but at the end of the day that is how its scored and thats how joe won
One clip from the fight. And Hopkins made him look like a wild amateur. Show me one clip from that fight where it looked like Hopkins was hurt or even cared that Joe landed one of his "punches."
You said it. Its a messed up system and people like you are just like "oh well" thats just the way it is. Its wrong.