Calzaghe The Greatest Fighter Of The Last 25 Years!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by pugilist64, Jul 26, 2008.


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  1. pugilist64

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    But what about American fighter inability to prove to boxing fans that they can win when abroad. Their legacy must be affected then. What makes YOU looking ****ing stupid is your contradictory arguments.
     
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  2. McGrain

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    "Winning abroad" is only occasionally relevant (Buchanan in the heat versus Laguna is a fine example) but with travelling fans, great air-condiditioned venues, etc., it's not all that relevant.

    It is only relevant if the best fighters reside abroad. This was the case for Calzaghe, Lennox Lewis, Ted Kid Lewis, Ken Buchanan, Ricky Hatton, Freddie Welsh, Bob Fitzsimmons, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Manny Pacquiao...you get the point.

    All of the above travelled to face the best. Calzaghe didn't and his legacy suffers for it. It's that straight forward.

    Such as?
     
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  3. AmericanSugar

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    america is the mecca of boxing. the sport has evolved here. history and tradition being the reason for this. all of the biggest fights have been here. secondly, the types of styles that come out of europe are stiff 1-2 boxers. they lack true boxng skills that are only taught here. the mexicans realized that and adapted to american style fighting. which is why they have so many great champions.
     
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  4. Carlos Primera

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    in recent years, most fighters would say yes.
     
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  5. pugilist64

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    Such as. European fighter have to travel to prove themselves. American fighters don`t have to travel to prove themselves. Criticizing Calzaghes opposition. Not criticizing Hopkins opposition. Simple really.
     
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  6. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Excuses for US fighters not to travel - you defend one guy for economical reasons, and you lash out on another who has the same.


    It doesn't hurt broadcasts between two US based fighters, so why would it if they fought in UK in time benefit for US audience?

    Kessler-Calzaghe fought 2 am GMT. This was two euro fighters, which normally hold no interest to US audience.

    Because they were all beatable fighters- Ruiz was the crappiest HW and you know it. Johnson had the balls to be a roadwarrior, but is just as old as they, even if he is way better now than then - they had a fair share of crap fighters on their sheets as much as JC. Both Hopkins and RJJ was young, and Bernard was a relatively unknown boxer.

    All of them faced 2nd class fighters, and all of them made a bundle of money. I am not crying about the fights between euro fighters and US fighters didn't happen, but I am not bashing them either, which was what Rafael did.
     
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  7. pugilist64

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    When was the last time over 50,000 fans attended a boxing match in "the mecca of boxing?"
     
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  8. McGrain

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    :lol:

    Which fighters should Hopkins have "travelled abroad" to fight?!

    Why do think ALL the other fighters I mentioned chose to travel abroad? You can't name a great fighter from Europe that didn't fight in America, can you? Why do you think that is, chum?
     
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  9. jeffradka

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    A lot of guys would have a 15 year winning streak if they chose to not fight anyone with any sort of noteriety throughout there entire career. Aside from a couple of shells of former champs and a one dimensional up and comer.
     
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  10. DanePugilist

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    You gotta be kidding me - go back to school. Mexicans have their own style. You think Duran learned boxing in USA? Is US fighting style grab and hold that Hopkins employed against a Euro fighter?

    You really need to get your ass out of your own country ass - you are believing everything media tells you to.
     
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  11. jeffradka

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    American fighters generally don't have to travel because true champions from other nations end up coming here to fight. When will you Calzaghe fans face the truth, Calzaghe was perfectly content with fighting tomato cans in europe because he can sell out an arena fighting a paper bag.

    At least Hatton grew some balls and took on some decent American contenders, to bad they made him look like the garbage that he is.
     
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  12. McGrain

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    This is getting tiresome. I am NOT lashing out at Calzaghe for economic reasons.


    I don't understand. Are you saying that the same number of people would watch a fight between two Americans if it was broadcast at 10pm here or 4am here? If so, I disagree in the strongest possible terms.

    I know that. But what's your point?

    Obviously, all the fights fighters have won are winnable fights. Are you saying that Calzaghe was unwinnable for Jones and Hopkins.

    Furthermore, are you saying that if the fight was winnable both would have come to Wales?

    Hopkins and Jones also faced first class fighters. So has Joe, but only very recently. My point - if he had gone to the US sooner, he would have fought better fighters sooner. You disagree?
     
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  13. pugilist64

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    Calzaghe and Kessler there`s 2. Old Bernie wouldn`t get on the plane though.
     
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  14. TFFP

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    Except they do have notoriety. The problem is revisionist spinsters like to pretend they never did after Calzaghe beat their ass.
     
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  15. jeffradka

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    Really? Who are these grizzly beasts the Calzaghe schooled?
     
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