Calzaghe The Greatest Fighter Of The Last 25 Years!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by pugilist64, Jul 26, 2008.


  1. TFFP

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    Jeff Lacy was one. Every American sees him destroying Calzaghe and he's built up like he's the next Joe Louis

    What happens next? :yep

    He's a nobody.
     
  2. pugilist64

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    Here`s a list of bums that Hopkins fought in America. Robert Allen(3 times!!),Antwun Echols(twice!),Andrew Council,Joe Lipsey,William Bo James,Steve Frank,Morrade Hakkar,John David Jackson,Syd Vanderpool...... :happy
     
  3. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    mcgrain is a scot, not american, and he speaks sense. no bias at all. america is where fighters usually make the most money. hence, the best fighters ply their trade where they can earn the most. lewis did that, fought the best heavy weights available, made a ton of cash and he's universally lauded as a top 5 heavy.
     
  4. pugilist64

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    I agree Hopkins is a disgrace.
     
  5. jeffradka

    jeffradka Active Member Full Member

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    I'm not talking about his last 5 fights first of all, im talking about his "Legendary 15 year winning streak". And who was Jeff Lacy anyways, just because he beat club level fighters like pemberton, and shieka, americans thought he was the next mike tyson at 168. Come on, he was an untested nobody regardless of what kind of mindless rubbish came out of americans mouths before that fight. And look at what hes accomplished since then, some decisions for several mind numbingly boring fights, which in all honestly he should have lost.

    And whats sad is that after being a champ for upwards of ten years that fight was a step up for the Most Overrated Fighter of the past 25 years.
     
  6. TFFP

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    Hopkins did something similar, yet is seen as a God for his reign of consistency - shame we can't apply that standard to Calzaghe eh? Then he fights some podgy welterweights and his rating goes through the roof.

    I tell you what, I'll take Kessler and Lacy over some podgy welterweights. And fact is, as soon as he fought a prime guy in his own division he went life and death with him - whereas Calzaghe comes up trumps.

    He's just too European :yep
     
  7. McGrain

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    Kessler? Are you ****ing high? You want Hopkins to fly to Scandanavia and fight Kessler? Calzaghe was a big step up for him for Christ sake...regardless, why would he do so when he can have a high class fight at home for more money against another top fighter? Like Taylor? Or Wright? Or Tarver? Or Oscar?

    Calzaghe, okay, that would be reasonable, but why, when he can make more money fighting at home against another top drawer fighter? Like Taylor......etc etc etc

    Please answer my question. WHy did Ted Kid Lewis, Lennox Lewis, Ricky Hatton, Frank Bruno, Loi, Buchanan, Barrera, Pacqiao, Duran travel to the USA at their peak years? Can you join the dots?
     
  8. jeffradka

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    Trinidad, Johnson, Tarver, Taylor, Wright, Jones Jr, even Eastman, Joppy and Daniels. I mean come on his is a far better resume then Slappy Joe.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Getting off topic for a bit, I think this is partly a reality, but it's partly the case because Joe ruins people. He certainly ruined Lacey who was never the same.

    Calzaghe beat a quality fighter and sent home something less than that.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Thank you sir, for both of these compliments.
     
  11. TFFP

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    Well yes, and certainly to say he didn't have notoriety is garbage. He had the most notoriety of any prospect for a long time, most of it undeserved of course

    This is the problem, people spin like a washing machine to compensate for Calzaghe proving them wrong.
     
  12. jeffradka

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    Kessler to, thats just another unproven Euro backyard fighter. Please, you must be smoking crack.

    Manfredo Jr, Lacy, Kessler, Reid what a death row of opposition.
     
  13. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    You wanted to pitch in in a debate concerning this - and said "If you want the big fights to happen - you must take a pay cut... Don't you care for Calzaghes legacy?" Aren't you aware what you are saying? Yes, it is getting tiresome - simply because you don't see the perspective from two sides.

    I thought I carved it out so it would be easy to understand. If two US boxers fights in USA, there is no problem with PPVs - right? And you think the money is in US PPVs, hence the money is in USA. You mentioned time problem as a factor, if they fought in UK - and I responded that pick a US time zone as launch time - like they did Kessler-Calzaghe. Your then argument was that it would hurt the UK viewers, but since you have already stated that the money is in USA, then it doesn't matter if it hurt UK viewers(even if it is rubbish, since it didn't in Kessler-Calzaghe fight).

    You asked me about the last superfight in Europe. And its launch time was fitted for US viewers. And it sold great, even if it was only two euros - had it been US-Euro it would have been great. Venue doesn't hurt PPV, if the time slot is right. Damn, I feel like I am talking to a 5 year old.

    What I meant was that they weren't dangerous fights. Odds were very high for them to win.

    And no - thats not what I am saying they probably still would say that others need to travel and take bull**** paycuts way below their standards.

    But you brought up these "super" fights to help your argument, when it doesn't



    No I do not disagree - but I can't guarentee it. Calzaghe was still too much risk vs reward - except now, that Hopkins and RJJ are shades of former selves - especially the latter. And he is now bigger than them. They literally begged for the fights now.
     
  14. TFFP

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    You have nothing to add to the debate other than pre-conceived garbage, do you? You are the sort that hasn't actually seen any of these fight, and hasn't bothered to form his own opinion so spouts off garbage that he hears from other xenophobic idiots.

    Nobody that has any knowledge of the sport calls Kessler a backyard fighter.
     
  15. pugilist64

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    Trinidad = midget,Wright = midget,Johnson = limited,Eastman = lazy,Taylor = lazy but still beat Hopkins twce!,Jones = beat Hopkins,Joppy = bum,Daniels = bum,Tarver = no heart