Calzaghe The Greatest Fighter Of The Last 25 Years!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by pugilist64, Jul 26, 2008.


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  1. TFFP

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    :yikes

    Come on, there is no need to resort to that. Hopkins resume is good, but its these people that pretend its lightyears ahead of Calzaghe's that get me - when for the most part they are mirror imaged.
     
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  2. McGrain

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    Because Calzaghe is in a weaker position (and he is, fighting primarily in Europe) if he wants to walk straight into a fight to take on a top man, he has to take a pay cut. But I wasn't attacking him for not doing this.

    I was pointing out that it is an economical reality that American fighters are not going to travel to Europe. Because they make more money at hime. Which you seem to be contesting.

    Right. SO you are saying that

    a - even though the money is in the US the fighters should fight in the UK. This completely ignores every law of fiscal infrastrucure in exsistance

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    b - that people are just as likey to sit up until 2 a.m to watch boxing as go to bed. Which is total rubbish. I mean it's nonsense. I know guys who missed the fight that would have watched it at nine.

    See above. Ah, I'll run over it again. If the money is in the US, fiscal infrastructure calls for the fight to be in the US. If viewers in the uk is important, the start time hurts the viewers in the UK. This is all incontravertable fact.

    Hopkins wasn't a favourite going into his fight with Trinidad and Jones took a risk with with Tarver. Jones and Hopkins couldn't have both been favourite to win their fight and i'd be suprised if Jones was a favourite to beat Ruiz.
     
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  3. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    casino's in america pay big money to hold big fights. if the money is in that country, why hold the fight elsewhere?
     
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  4. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    McGrain is living in a dying world - which is one of the reasons we find him more frequently in Classical forums than here.
     
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  5. Carlos Primera

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    :lol:
    arran?
     
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  6. DanePugilist

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    Yes, but they have almost no audience - Calzaghe, Hatton and Kessler pack full stadiums.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    This is the bottom line. It's very hard to turn down that money because Casino's spend back end money on fighting - they enjoy massive weekends when there are fights.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    That isn't particularly meaningful in what has become a money game in the modern era.
     
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  9. jeffradka

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    Okay what has Kessler accomplished to give him such accolades. I've watched him fight, he is a good all around fighter, but he is not on an elite level and most like never will be. I mean his best win is probably beyer.

    Youre just a pompous ****** eurofan who loves to spit out words like Xenophobic over and over to make yourself sound like you are more educated then the other fight fans on this forum. Get a grip man. You're trying to make these wins so significant for Calzaghe, like hes a legend because he beat some highly touted prospects.
     
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  10. DanePugilist

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    Are you saying that 25k-60k doesn't generate tons of money for the fighters and the promotors? If so, why did Calzaghe stay in UK?
     
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  11. Carlos Primera

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    20 000 + casino cash bring in more money than packed stadiums. if the money is there, then thats where the fight happens. though this is not true for every fighter. as in joe's case, he was certainly making handsome purses in the UK, so it made sense to hold fights at 168 there. there was no audience for SMW fights to cater to in the US as well.
     
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  12. jeffradka

    jeffradka Active Member Full Member

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    Wright is 5' 11 hardly a midget. And Hopkins was like a 6 to 1 underdog in his fight with Tarver and he handed his ass to him. Same thing with Trinidad who is a future Hall of Famer. And how can you call Taylor Lazy. At least Taylor will take a challenge, and fight men like Winky Wright, Kelly Pavlik Twice. I wish Joe Would do as much.
     
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  13. pugilist64

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    I thought you advocated taking a pay cut to enhance ones lecacy. If Hopkins or Jones travelled to the U.K. to fight in front of 50,000 fans i`d give them credit but they don`t have the balls.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    Yes, that's what i'm saying...of course not! Of course it generates money!

    And here is the crux of the thing. I'll be rude and answer a question with a question.

    Why do you think almost all major fights, including all of the richest ones, are fought in casinos?
     
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  15. McGrain

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    I certainly wouldn't advocate it in front of travelling to the US. Hatton proved that it can pretty much be colonised by British fans.

    For the last time - these guys can make more money for eqally big fights in the US.
     
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