Calzaghe The Greatest Fighter Of The Last 25 Years!

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  1. jeffradka

    jeffradka Active Member Full Member

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    Yes it is crazy to think that between 34 and 36 he somehow lost his stamina and hand speed. It is more logical to assume that he actually fought some decent opposition in Kessler and over the hill B Hop which in turn made him look worse than he did against the very limited Lacy and the rest of his insignificant opposition.
     
  2. TFFP

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    I'm not defending him per se, I'm illustrating a very simple point that to win 45 straight fights against solid competition (the type that unravelled Tyson a number of times) over 10+ years is NOT that easy as everyone makes out. Like anybody could have done it

    Firstly it requires you to not have too many off nights, and secondly a longevity that is amazing in itself.
     
  3. jeffradka

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    This was never about Tyson. The point was simply that Tyson fought the greater opposition win or lose. You will find is record his peppered with good, great and Hall of fame fighters before, during and after his prime.
     
  4. enquirer

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    I think the lacey performance was one of his best,but whether that was his peak is debateable. He seemed a harder puncher when he first won the title....Put now he definately seems faded. Even in the kessler fight he physically seemed slower...
    In the last two years he has seemingly declined a lot physically but now has great ring intelligence and his everpresent grit to still win tough fights....
     
  5. ThePlugInBabies

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    no doubt the level in comp has a lot to do with it although i never stated that he was at his physical peak against lacy but the balance between his physical attributes and the mental side of his game was absolutely perfect that night.

    in terms of boxing clever more than relying on the physical stuff his best performances were kessler and the brewer fights when he decided to stop fighting like a moron.
     
  6. jeffradka

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    Well I appreciate you using some logic. But come on man, look at all of Lacy's fights post calzaghe. I mean you can say that Calzaghe ruined him, but it is far more logical to assume that he was never as good as they tried to sell him as.
     
  7. ThePlugInBabies

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    i said best version, not best physically. as stated in the post you quoted.

    there was no self doubt, a lot to gain and a lot to prove to the world on a big stage against a massively hyped opponent after a number of years going stale.
     
  8. TFFP

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    Woosh...you miss the point entirely yet again.

    Calzaghe may or may not have lost to that level of competition, we'll probably never know. The only fighter that has been on that level around his weight class was Roy Jones.

    It still doesn't explain why its supposedly so easy to win 45 fights spanning 10 years against that level of competition, yet very few have actually done so, including Tyson with his losses to Buster/Williams.
     
  9. jeffradka

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    45 fights against mediocre competition at best. When he had the talent to take on real challenges, its just a shame.
     
  10. TFFP

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    They weren't all mediocre though. Some were, and some like the names I've mentioned above were a lot better than mediocre, and if they weren't I'd like to know who classifies as "good"

    45 fights without a loss is a great achievement for a guy thats been the best SMW of all-time and a 2 weight world champion. Not many have achieved it, and quite a lot of them have lost to the sort of B levels you criticise Calzaghe for facing ignoring the longevity and consistency.

    Greatest of the last 25 years obviously not, but great all the same :deal
     
  11. jeffradka

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    Okay I guess i am not being ass objective as I should. Joe Calzaghe is one of the best fighters in a very weak division of the past 10 years. I guess the only two people I can think of off the top of my head that I would favor over him from said weak division are Roy Jones and James Toney, both of whom left the weightclass for bigger and better challenges. But I would never consider him to be in my top 10 p4p regardless. I just hate how people act like he is "The Greatest Fighter of the last 25 years" when clearly that is far from the truth.
     
  12. TFFP

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    Top 10 p4p of the last 25 years, or currently?
     
  13. jeffradka

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    You wouldn't find him in the my top 25 p4p list for the past 25 years, and currently I guess he would have to but it would be at the bottom of the list.
     
  14. TFFP

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    At the bottom? :lol:

    Let's see your list.
     
  15. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The is no point in even debating with people that don't believe Joe Calzaghe is an all time top 10 P4Per. They are ridiculously biased and communicating with them is a waste of time.

    The only debate that is acceptable is where in that top 10 Joe Calzaghe belongs. The very top above Robinson or at the mid-lower end with average super legends like Duran, Leonard and Whitaker.