Calzaghe The Greatest Fighter Of The Last 25 Years!

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  1. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    Congratulations on 500 posts.

    China_hand_Joe makes some interesting observations. You cannot rule out anything he says. His knowledge is high.
     
  2. pugilist64

    pugilist64 Guest

    In round 10 of Calzaghe-Kessler boxing analyst Max Kellerman said regrding Calzaghe "you are looking at a special fighter"

    Emanuel Steward commented "I think Kesslers fighting a very good fight he`s just in with a phenomenal fighting machine"

    Jim Lampley said "If you look at his amateur and professional career Joe Calzaghe hasn`t lost a fight in 17 years.There are a lot of people who denegrated his opposition but when you look at that record theres a reason and he`s showing it tonight."

    Three Americans who actually get it. :hi:
     
  3. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Ricardo Lopez was never beaten once in a boxing match, amateur or in the pro's, 52 pro fights, 27 of them for a legit world title, and he was never once beaten. He utterly dominated top level opposition of his division, and looks magnificent on film, one of the top 5 most complete fighters in boxing history. Tell me why this man is not the greatest fighter of all-time, because he clearly must be by your logic.
     
  4. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LOL....You are a great cheerleader, but this isn't Football. Boxers don't have cheerleaders...the closest thing you'll get to is a Ring Card Gal. Anyway, Joe is talented and a great boxer, but he's not the best.

    Unfortunately for him..he has only his ownself to fault. Its undeniable that Joe is supremely talented. He has a **** load of skill and he was able to stay undefeated for over 10 years and counting.

    But if you really take a closer look you'll see Joe hasn't beaten anyone besides a 43 yr old Bhop. Yes he beat Eubanks who was also Old and shopworn. Chris actaully retired after being defeated TWICE immediately after his loss to Joe, by a far inferior Thompson.

    There is really NO DEPTH to Joe's career. On the surface his career looks TREMENDOUS but after you begin to peel back some of the layers you start to see the lack of substance that makes a Hall of fame or All time great career. He's still very good though even though he lacks the drive to challenge himself as a champion.
     
  5. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There is a tiny talent pool at the weight Lopez fought at. Any world class fighter should dominate given that.

    He didn't dominate quite to teh extent of Calzaghe and drew a fight, which Calzaghe would have won convincingly.

    That said Lopez is probably in top 20, if I had heard of 19 fighters besides Joe Calzaghe.
     
  6. pugilist64

    pugilist64 Guest

    Hopkins hasn`t beaten anyone bar a couple of decent midgets but you don`t go on about that. His title reign was joke.
     
  7. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    I'm from Scotland actually. And who ever said Joe Calzaghe isn't talented? Isn't a quality fighter? Doesn't deserve to be in the top 3 p4p right now? Isn't 1 of the best British fighters ever? Isn't top 10-15 of his own era? Not me. I think he's very talented. But there is a MASSIVE difference between the status I have just described, and the best fighter of the last quarter century. It seems you do not get that.
     
  8. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    His division was no weaker than Calzaghe's, he was the legit champion with 3 of the major belts for a decade where as Calzaghe never became the true champion until his bull**** WBO reign was in about it's 8th year. Lopez was far, far more dominant than Calzaghe. No one was even close to being remotely competitive with him for over a decade, he looks like twice the fighter Calzaghe does, virtually a flawless fighter.

    And there is no way Lopez is top 20 all-time, he's not top 50, and Calzaghe isn't top 80.

    Right now, without going to some website and looking them up, please tell me something significant about the careers of these fighters so that I know that you know who they are:

    Sam Langford, Harry Greb, Benny Leonard, Ezzard Charles, Eder Jofre, Joe Gans, Barney Ross, Joe Walcott, Mickey Walker, Charlie Burley, Tony Canzoneri, Pascual Perez, Fighting Harada. Anything of significance about these fighters, please.
     
  9. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They are all primative cave-men apart from Jofre and Charles perhaps.

    Give me the technical slaps of Calzaghe and Guzman any day.
     
  10. treva1977

    treva1977 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    so who do you say is???? you cant give an answer like that without an explanation.
     
  11. DINAMITA

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    Pathetic comment.

    Hopkins...
    stopped Glen Johnson. No mean feat.

    Hopkins...
    became the 1st man to beat Felix Trinidad (40-0) - see my thread on this magnificent underrated masterclass, coming up shortly

    Hopkins...
    jumped 2 weight divisions at age 40+ and dominated the linear LHW champion Antonio Tarver- another underrated achievement. Superb.

    Hopkins...
    became the 1st man in 8 years to defeat the "best defence in boxing" and fellow top 5 P4Per Winky Wright


    I don't include the DLH win, as we saw in the Sturm fight that Oscar was not effective at middleweight. Trinidad definitely was though, as proved when he KO'd Joppy. And he's 5'11. And he was p4p #2 at the time.


    What has Calzaghe done to match this resume??
     
  12. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Percieved as #5 and #2 by the same idiots that under appeciate Joe Calzaghe on an all time basis.
     
  13. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    You know nothing of any of those fighters. You don't know what they accomplished, you don't know who they beat, and have no knowledge of boxing as a sport. You can believe whatever nonsense you want to believe, but next time you make comment on the greatest fighters of all-time, you must state first that it is a list of the greatest fighters you've ever heard of, because anyone who doesn't know who those fighters are does not deserve the right to make a list of the greatest fighters of all-time.
     
  14. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The fact that Langford could move through so many divisons despite being so small in stature is evidence of how weak his era was. The sport has moved on from those days thank goodness. Joe Calzaghe could have been champion from 160-HW all at the same time back then.
     
  15. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Name the fighters from his era, so you can tell me how weak it was.