Calzaghe The Greatest Fighter Of The Last 25 Years!

The assumed resume is a good theory, in essence.

He's saying he could have beaten all of them, which we know he could. We have to take this into account, it would be foolish not to IMHO.

 

Aside from the fact there have already been many many many solid arguments against that point, here is another then, that even if you don't agree with, you must accept as a boxing fan is a perfectly valid and solid argument:

Sugar Ray Robinson and Sugar Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran to name but three, are all p4p better than Joe Calzaghe because:

- they each fought more better guys than Calzaghe has ever fought in his career. And I'm not talking about resume, I'm not saying they are better because of the list of names, I am saying that a great boxer proves he is great by great performances against great fighters. Robinson, Leonard and Duran fought more great fighters than Calzaghe did, they fought better in more big fights than he did because they performed brilliantly against brilliant opposition more often.

Now even if you somehow disagree with these obvious facts, you simply must see that this is a perfectly valid and solid argument??

As it can easily be substantiated by facts and evidence, it is no empty line.

Do you take back that there have been no solid arguments? Or do you want to be a petty fanboy child about it??

 

CHJ,

Valuev seems to outmatch Joe physically, quite ridiculously infact. How do you see him overcoming the Russian bemoth?

 

"which we know he could"

WHAT IS THE VALUE OR PURPOSE OF THIS IN BOXING?!??!!?!?!

If the assumed resume was ever used then we would give guys credits for risks they never took, and that goes against the whole point of the sport!

If these guys had never fought, then we would have had on the imaginary resume that:

Tyson would definitely always beat Buster Douglas
Chavez would definitely always beat Frankie Randall
Robinson would definitely always beat Randy Turpin
Louis would definitely always beat Max Schmeling
Lewis would definitely always beat Hasim Rahman
Ali would definitely always beat Leon Spinks
Curry would definitely always beat Lloyd Honeyghan
and on and on and on..................


All of these guys would have been credited with wins they didn't get and wins they didn't deserve. It would create a FALSE picture of them and therefore be totally MEANINGLESS.

Boxing is about 2 men taking the risk of getting in the ring together, where 1 punch can shatter dreams or make a legend.

If an "assumed" (ie IMAGINARY & FAKE) resume is ever even considered, then the Noble Art has lost the very magic that made it what it is.


RIDICULOUS. :-(

 

Fair analysis. That's one tick on the assumed resume.

Mormeck might cause a bit of trouble I feel, he outmatches Joe quite a bit and isn't as slow as Valuev. What with Joe getting a broken hand too, it looks tough. Great win for Calzaghe if he really did come through it.

 

Yes, but what you said was:


He isn't the greatest of all time resume wise, not quite, but he is the best P4P.


P4P is not H2H. I'm a bit embarrassed for you now to be honest, as you pretty obviously don't know what pound-for-pound means.

Mate, the whole point of pound-for-pound is that it doesn't matter what era you fought in or what weight divisions you fought in (get it now?), you are rated on greatness v the opposition you fought and what you achieved in your career.

You said Calzaghe was best p4p. I said I thought Robinson, Leonard and Duran (there are many many more, but I chose those three for just now) were better. You replied Robinson 'cannot compare to the actual brilliance' of Calzaghe in response to my point.

OF COURSE he can be compared, the same way as Calzaghe right now is compared to Calderon or Mijares, men he can never fight- it's called pound-for-pound.

I'm ditching this shortly and sticking to the Classic, this is embarrassing for a boxing fan to sit in a boxing forum and have to explain to people why an imaginary resume doesn't mean anything, or what pound-for-pound means.


Good night gentlemen. PLEASE for your own sakes go watch some fights, do some reading, and do some thinking before coming back on.