Calzaghe top 100 as it stands now?

No, they aren't.

Ottke having a load of controversial decision's doesn't count as a serious negative? How is this opinion, it's in your opinion that this doesn't matter when most of the boxing world agree's what a farce his career was.

I don't highly overrate him. Who on Ottke's resume is better?

Who on his resume dominated the level of competition Kessler did(standard SMW competition that most of Ottke's opponents fought around)better than Kessler did?

Ottke couldn't even legitimately defeat a similiar fighter, but much lesser, in Mads Larsen.

I still say Hopkins resume is overstated, but I have never said it wasn't good.

Not at all, if you start seriously counting blatant robberies, you may as well give up trying to seriously rate fighters. You guys don't even count how fights are won, a big part of a resume critique.

I also don't understand why everything you reply to me has to get personal, it's ridiculous, we're just discussing boxing and have a little tongue in cheek nonsense posting here and there.

 

What utter nonsense.

So you're suggesting that fighter A beats fighter B at a controversial 115-113 scoring and then fighter C beats fighter B as a common opponent as a shutout 120-108 score and it counts as the exact same thing?:rofl

Not to mention, blatant robberies do count. Nobody seriously counts Chavez's draw over Pernell as a legit draw, even though the official result states so. Ottke's got 3 of those, just as bad as that particular robbery, which had they been put in the books correctly, rips up his defence record obviously.

 

You completely misunderstood what I said. And Calzaghe didn't get a gift over Reid.

 

Find me where I said 'bad resume' for Hopkins. Calzaghe has shitty overall competition when we are comparing to top ATG's, as does Hopkins. You all misunderstand that shitty overall does not mean he didn't decisively beat a lot of good fighters.

An example of a fighter who fought truly steep overall opposition is James Toney.

And the Taylor losses are embarassing and losses count in a resume, but when you count up Hopkins' entire resume with consistency, it's a good one.

You and Too Pretty only support African American fighters to the same level of bias as some only support European fighters, no different than say 'Odo' on here in that regard. This is not void.

I stated that Castillo at his best was a B+, but was overall a B level performer. Do you comprehend that some guys have a top night and then a normal night in a succession of fights?

Watch the Floyd performances, then also watch him struggle with Johnston and give a **** showing against the likes of Rolando Reyes. He goes from B-B+ depending, like a lot of contenders do.