So you're in essence admitting that England and Wales are indeed different but yet somehow they're the same? Again the only point I was trying to make is that England and Wales have seperate identities and are seperate countries...For ****sake you kids get carried away all in the name of claiming Joe Calzaghe Calm down. I'm well aware that Wales is part of the UK. ffs
Hmmm. One year after Calzaghe struggled woefully with Robin Reid and got took to points by the mighty Rick Thornberry, he could have 'toppled' one of THE greatest fighters h2h in the history of the sport. I couldn't disagree more with each sentence of your post: Jones was far faster than Calzaghe, he had better skills, Calzaghe never could throw 'big bombs', and Jones has always had a strong mentality (turned the first Griffin fight around, destroyed him in a hotly-anticipated rematch, took on and beat a heavyweight, never lost heart after defeats to Tarver and Johnson, never gave up against Calzaghe even with that terrible cut). The fight between Calzaghe and Jones told us nothing, not one single thing - no more than Ali v Holmes or Louis v Marciano or Chavez v Tszyu or Duran v Joppy or Leonard v Camacho or Tyson v Williams told us. Between 1997 and 2004, Calzaghe and Jones were operating on completely different levels of quality. Time has obscured this fact, because Calzaghe has improved since and Jones has plummetted downhill since. - The pre-Ruiz version of Jones utterly obliterated Clinton Woods, who gave Glen Johnson hell for 36 rounds. - He decimated Eric Harding, who had just beaten Antonio Tarver. - He destroyed Richard Hall in a typically dominant performance - this being the same Hall who stopped Byron Mitchell in 4, Mitchell being one of Calzaghe's best wins. - He dominated Julio Cesar Gonzalez, who shortly went on to defeat the much-vaunted Dariusz Michalczewski. - He became the first man to stop Virgil Hill, in the 4th round, Hill's only previous losses being points defeats to Thomas Hearns and Michalczewski - He knocked out Montell Griffin (27-0) in 1 round - the same Griffin who had just beaten James Toney Are you getting an idea of the level that Jones was operating on here, compared to his contemporaries? He dominated Bernard Hopkins and James Toney. His speed, skill, power, and just awesome quality would have seen Calzaghe struggle to win a round. The 2006 Calzaghe who fought Lacy would have had a better chance than the guy who outpointed David Starie and beat Richie Woodhall, but still would have been soundly beaten. This has nothing to do with my opinion of Calzaghe's resume and his career choices, my opinion is based purely on the basis of having seen all of their career world title fights and knowing a bit about their opponents. Jones was always on a different level to Calzaghe until he came back down from heavyweight.
No-one is saying England and Wales are the same. No-one is claiming that Joe Calzaghe is English. No-one is denying that Joe Calzaghe is Welsh. No-one (except you) doesn't know that England and Britain are not the same thing. No-one (except you) is looking like an absolute clueless tit here.
Stop what exactly? I just got done working 12 hours, sorry if the nomenclature I used was slightly off. ****, cut me a break:good
I'm pretty sure everyone would have cut you a break if you'd fessed up when called on your 'Calzaghe isn't British' statement, rather than trying to insist for three pages that you were actually correct.
HAHAHAHA Quality posts above RealIzm gotta say you are a right idiot, if you don't know what being 'British' emcompasses then why even comment pretending to know, its comments like that, that does an injustice to the rest of your fellow Americans who do have a brain.
In all honesty I didnt type what I was trying to convey. Just got carried away from there..... Sorry folks I failed grammatically....Still you know what the **** I meant
Take it easy. Again I failed grammatically, misread your initial post and got carried away ignorantly:|
Honestly, no-one deals with Jones' athleticism 160-168 imo. At 175 is another question. At 160-168 it would take a supreme pressure fighter with good head movement, reflexes and fast feet. I've always felt that's the way to beat Roy -- in close and on his ass all the time, not giving him room to breathe.
And Calzaghe would be competitive. The guy has good handspeed and reflexes, a tough chin and is a solid tactician and ring-general. His gameplan against Roy would not be allout-pressure, imo, but taking rounds on sheer activity and relying on his chin to take Roy's counters and pot-shots. Anything can happen when fighters meet on this level, but Roy has to be an overwhelming favorite. I think Calzaghe would have had trouble finding him and would get countered a ton.