Calzaghe v Marciano

Marciano is a top 5 ATG heavy legacy wise. He is a top 10 H2H heavy.

Virtually nobody under 200 lbs should be even odds to beat him.

Calzaghe is an ATG supermiddle, but currently has everything to prove at LHW and Cruiser, never mind HW.

I'm sure Joe may make Rocky look clumsy for a few rounds, but the Rock'd grind him down. He ground them all down.

 

Calzaghe can jab him all day long like. Marciano might hurt him a few times. But Calzaghe is a survivor. Sugar Ray Leonard once said "If there was a nuclear holocaust all that would be left would be cockroaches, Oliver McCall and Joe Calzaghe."

Calzaghe by UD over 12 rounds, over 15 rounds. He'd be a fool to try and KO Rocky though a cuts stoppage isn't impossible.

 

Hard to say how Marciano compares to todays fighters size wise.

A couple of old timers who saw him fight and saw later champions, and indeed Marcianos brother Peter, have said that Marciano would come in at 220lbs if he were fighting today on a modern training regime.

While this might be overstating the case it is not hard to imagine him being over 200.

Curtis Shepherd a sparring partner of Joe Louis and Max Baer expresed the opinion that they would both have come in at 220 and 230 respectively today. The interviewer expresed his surprize at how big Shepherd was given that he only weighed 190 in the ring.

Just another perspective.

 

Thanks for that. I think that the lack of road work the heavies seem to do nowadays is to there own detriment. If you look at fighters fighting in those days they were much shorter than the heavies that fight nowadays meaning that the best way to be was lighter, no point in being a short fat guy or even an overmuscled guy who is not mobile (jeff lacy).

If you look at say a fighter that weighs 220 nowadays at heavy- just as an example- David Haye was 217 and 6'3" when he went into his only fight at heavy and was cut and ripped but still lean. if rocky stepped in the ring at that 220 5' 10" imo he would have been too muscular/fat at the detriment of his own speed.

A guy that is 5'10" 220 or 190 nowadays days would struggle to get passed Wald's jab at 6'7" 250 when you see two people with that much of a height and weight difference in the flesh it is alot. I think he from a much younger age would have trained to fight at lower weights. Where he would have probably cleaned up.

 

I'd appreciate an explanation to what this means exactly in your point of view Janitor.:good

 

For a long time we had to endure Roy Jones vs Marciano, Roy Jones vs Joe Louis and other equaly fatuous threads. Thankfully his knockout losses to Tarver and Johnson largley put a stop to such nonsense.

I just hope that Calzaghe is not about to be elevated to a similar loft pedastal.

 

One reason that Jones would have major problems with Rocky is that well he has a dodgy chin. If u gave jones a granite chin i'd have no problem picking him over alot of fighters. Joe would not conclusivly beat any top ranked heavy.

Its just he happen's to have the tools to beat marciano if it was in a lower weight class.

 

It's topics like this- and some of the responses to them- that proves this board has become utter **** as of late.

There are so many innaccuracies and ill-concieved responses above it boggles the mind.

 

For example?

 

If he comes in at 200, then he wouldn't be the at his most conditioned fighting form, would he? It is like asking Pacquiao to fight at 147 (which I am sure he can). Then he loses the greatest advatange he has over most of his opponents - his conditioning.

 

Joe Cal would last about 5 rounds against a "serious Marciano".

JC can't come forward and he can't hurt The Rock, so what options has he got left? Marciano would hit him on arms, chest, head, behind the head, body, etc until it is over via TKO or K.O. by the Rock.

What else is being proposed...throw JC in with Dempsey?

Doesn't even go one round....see Jess Willard title fight.

 

This thread took me by surprise. I'm not sure how to respond here.

The modern 168 pound division is almost equivalent to 1950's heavyweight division.

I know Clazaghe fights at supper middle ( 168 ), but that is only his 48 hour weigh in weight. What is Clazaghe's un-official weight on fight night? Does anyone know? 175? 178? 180 or more?

Lower weight fighters tend to re-hydrate and pack on 10 pound or more, so perhaps Clazaghe's weight on fight night is about 178-182 pounds.

Marciano himself fought about 185-190, so the weights are close to even.

Clazaghe's chin appears to be a bit better than Charles, or Walcott's. Then again it hasn't been tested by big punchers. I think Marciano superior fire power would be enough to win here, but I would not rule out a Clazaghe points win.

Then again, could Marciano catch up to the quicker and rangier Calzaghe? Calzaghe does not take breaks ( which is very important vs Marciano ) and knows who to fight punchers by staying off the ropes and out of the corners.

[FONT=&quot]In the end, I’m picking Rocky. Clazaghe’s resume is too thin at present to pick otherwise.[/FONT]

 

Calzaghe may last 2 rounds, if he's lucky. This is a ridiculous topic, put up for only one reason: for anti-marciano people to have a dumb laugh.