Calzaghe V "The Little Men"

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  1. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    Depending on your allegiance Bernard Hopkins either enhanced his status as a legend by defeating Trinidad, De La Hoya + Winky Wright, or he was just beating up on a bunch of world class but smaller men.

    Viewing the thread recently started asking if De La Hoya was winning against Hopkins got me wondering how Calzaghe would have fared if he had squared off against this trio.

    How do you see these three fights going?
     
  2. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oscar and Winky 168 would be massacred. Their too small. Same with Tito but he'd of put up more resistance. Still to small though.
     
  3. RICH

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    Hard To Call. But I Do Think Tito Had The Best Chance Of The Three With Winky Getting Second Best Chance Against Slappy.
     
  4. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    The point your trying to make is clear, but to be fair Joe C. would also have to make the 160 limit for the comparisons to be equal. Bhops fought these guys at 60, not 68.
     
  5. KO Boxing

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    Not 100% down with this "little men" thing, apart from Dela Hoya (Trinidad had filled out at 160 well; was always a bit drained at 147, was probably perfect at 154 though)... So does Cotto get no credit IF he does end up beating Floyd, cause Floyd was a "little man"? And although Hops is officially the bigger man going into THIS fight, he is a career 160 pounder, and Calzaghe is a career 168 pounder. So does Calzaghe not get credit for his (probable) soon to be decision win over Hop?

    I feel it's an unfair way of attacking B-Hop. It doesn't happen to Hagler, who's best wins\fight were EASILLY over smaller men. :think Dela Hoya, Trinidad and Winky may not be Duran, Leonard and Hearns; but they're not too bad themselves. Future HOFs and arguably ATGs.

    At the same time, I'm not trying to make these wins out to be BIGGER than what they actually were. I just think most people make them out to be smaller than what they actually were.
     
  6. Fat Joe

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    You're right, I overlooked that.
     
  7. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Apart from Winky, of course. That was 170
     
  8. pipe wrenched

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    :good
     
  9. AmericanSugar

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    calzaghe looses to them all
     
  10. Punisher33

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    Well said, and good comparison regarding Hopkins and Hagler, never fought about it like that, but your right, Haglers best wins/fights, are over smaller guys. I dont really think it matters as much as some people think, back in the day Middleweights, SM, and Light Heavyweights used to come up and fight Heavyweights all time, most of them put up pretty good fights with them too, Conn/Louis, Greb/Tunney, and others. Size is over rated, it's the fighters skill and toughness that matter most IMO.
     
  11. pipe wrenched

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    The real p4p guys.:yep
     
  12. Punisher33

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    So true, back in the 10s, 20s, and 30s, it wasnt unheard of for a guy to jump up from Middleweight or Light Heavy to challenge a Heavyweight, now people make a big deal if a guy jumps up one class in weight, which is only 6 or 7 pounds most of time, I'm sorry, this is nothing compared to what fighters use to do back in the day.
     
  13. Dorfmeister

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    At 160 and in those circumstances, Tito TKOs Calzaghe, Calzaghe close UD12 over Hoya. At 168 or 170, Calzaghe UD12 Wright ( closer scores than 117-111, 116-112)
     
  14. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    As usual sir, IMO you are very correct.:yep
     
  15. Dorfmeister

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    Yes, he would because DLH has great experience at the big stage and Calzaghe would not just walk in or he would be counter-jabbed, left-hooked and out-manoeuvred. The reason I would give it to Calzaghe is because of his awkward style and endless stamina that would bring problems to DLH... Listen, Oscar is a 6 Division World Champion and had a Mega-fight with Hopkins in 2004 ( and another one in 2007 against Mayweather) and you think anybody gives a **** Hoya was a natural 154 and Calzaghe a natural 168? I don't give a **** since I saw Calzaghe hurting his hand against 5'7'' tall Evans Ashira... Calzaghe-Hoya at 160 and in 2004 - Calzaghe by close UD.