Calzaghe vs Dawson as it stands

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  1. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Regarding Dawson vs Calzaghe.

    Chad isnt an intelligent fighter, even the most hardened Dawson fans must admit this. Look at the Glen Johnson fight for serious proof. Whether you thought Dawson won or lost is irrelevant, the point is what actually happened. Dawson lacks adaptability and general ring intelligence, once Johnson started comming on Chad was literally just losing rounds rather than executing plan B.

    Yes he's fast, he's strong, he's got great potential. No ones arguing that.

    It would be foolish at this point though to put him in with a great technician like Calzaghe or Hopkins, he gets his head boxed off. Too smart, too intelligent.

    How would Dawson go about fighting Joe ? The Lacy fight proved that Calzaghe is virtually invincible on in the inside so we would presume that Dawson would try to outbox him on the outside.

    Outbox Joe Calzaghe ?.....Chad couldnt even outbox Glen Johnson for a full 12 rounds. I dont believe Dawson has the mental tools to deal with Calzaghe and his multi-faceted technique.

    What happens when Calzaghe adapts ? How does Dawson deal with that ? Would he be able to counter-adapt like he DIDNT against johnson. Does Dawson have a plan B and C ? Because thus far he hasnt.

    Look for a counter-punching exhibition followed by Dawson's mental collapse in the later rounds a la Kessler, Roy Jones and even to some extent Hopkins.

    Regarding Hopkins, I feel he beats Dawson even worse, but thats for another thread. Im not Dawson bashing here far from it, I think he's got a lot more to show us before we start matching him up with 2 of the best ever IMO.
     
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  2. pmfan

    pmfan Active Member Full Member

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    I think Joe could probably get himself geared up enough to beat Dawson, but why should he? Eventually someone younger will catch him declining. He should retire on top.
     
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  3. rickx1

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    Calzaghe would kill dawson.
     
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  4. rickx1

    rickx1 Legend Full Member

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    Calzaghe would kill dawson.
     
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  5. drvooh

    drvooh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Calzaghe that fought Lacy at 168, and the Calzaghe that just fought Jones at 175 would win
    The Calzaghe that fought hopkins at 175, would lose
     
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  6. wushu

    wushu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree with you. Dawson was dropped by a jab from the light punching Eric harding and gets hurt in lots of his fights or gets dropped.
     
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  7. Monstar

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    wtf...since when was Calzaghe a great technician?

    Calzaghe would BOX DAWSONS head off?

    what the ****....Calzaghe is NOT A BOXER, he's lateral moving volume puncher, what he does is not boxing

    what Kessler does is boxing, what Bute does is boxing, what Dawson does (most of the time) is boxing.....

    but lets say that he is boxer just to simplify it, he's a very technically unsound boxer, he throws wide slaps with his chin out, and 90percent of the time comes in without a jab

    there is absolutely zero chance of calzaghe out boxing Dawson...that would work about as well as when Gatti tried to out box Mayweather

    Calzaghes best shot of winning is flurrying when Chad comes off a combination

    and all that Johnson stuff is non since.....he BEAT Johnson UD, so apparently he did adapt did he not?

    and with Johnson he had power to be cautious of.....Calzaghe doesn't have that, he can't apply effective pressure like Johnson did

    sorry but your analysis made no sense
     
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    ignore this post..
     
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    Your computer is probably fine.

    There is something amiss with ESB this morning.
     
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  14. billyk

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    I tried to post this yesterday under the title "Is Chad Dawson the Real Joe Calzaghe?" but the ******* moderators seemed to block it for some reason. Seems appropriate to fit it in here:

    With Joe Calzaghe now taking on a near mythical status in some peoples eyes, I thought it would be interesting to see how his latest rival measures up to the myths that surround Joe.

    Calzaghe Myth 1

    Joe, at 36, will only fight over the hill former greats who are long past their best.

    Chad, at 26, only fought over the hill former not bads last year in Glen Johnson and Antonio Tarver.

    Calzaghe Myth 2

    Joe was lucky to get a decision against Hopkins, 7 years his senior.

    Chad, on the other hand, was lucky to get a decision over Glen Johnson, 13 years his senior……..AND Johnson didn’t cheat.

    Calzaghe Myth 3

    Joe has never fought a top fighter in their prime…..if you go away and think about it for long enough you can come up with some bull**** that says even Kessler and Lacy were ****/ too green or whatever.

    Dawson, on the other hand, genuinely has never fought a top fighter in their prime….closest to it was Tomasz Adamek who was struggling to make the weight and hasn’t fought at LHW since.

    Calzaghe Myth 4

    If Joe retires, he is ducking Chad Dawson who is “mandated” to fight him, according to HBO.

    Chad genuinely DID refuse to fight Adrian Diaconu who actually WAS mandated to fight him by the WBC and got stripped of his belt for it.

    I could go on.

    Your thoughts please?
     
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  15. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Terrible post, nearly to the point where its not even worth a reply.

    " what the ****....Calzaghe is NOT A BOXER, he's lateral moving volume puncher, what he does is not boxing"

    I take it that you've only seen him fight once or twice at best then. He beat Kessler by outboxing and outjabbing him, turning Kesslers best weapon against him. Calzaghe can win fight by boxing like he did against Kessler and Hopkins or he can win fights by being a "lateral moving volume puncher" as you call it like he did against Lacy and Jones. Thats the point, he can do it all. Have you even seen the Reid fight ?

    "and all that Johnson stuff is non since.....he BEAT Johnson UD, so apparently he did adapt did he not?"

    He didnt win by adapting. He built an early lead then crumbled. Or have you not seen that fight either ?

    "and with Johnson he had power to be cautious of.....Calzaghe doesn't have that, he can't apply effective pressure like Johnson did"

    Tell that to everyone he's fought so far.
     
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