Calzaghe vs Hopkins - Result?

115-113 for B-Hop.....

 

To most people, the "obvious" outcome is a Calzaghe UD. I don't have to see the polls to know this, but I would never be stupid enough to rule out Hopkins completely.

Possibly, but unlikely, I think Joe can win by stoppage. I think this time Calzaghe will turn on the power and there's gonna be some big blows traded, but Joe's chin doesn't worry me at all. This fight could end up being the best example of Joe Calzaghe we'll ever see.

 

true but the bottom line is that this fight could have been made years ago if joe had anted up and courted networks and appeared on a PPV undercard in the US against the likes of joppy. he chose not not and so he will be left to pick up the pieces - which is what he is doing.

 

My estimate of probabilities

(Given three US judges and a US ref):

Bernard by KO/TKO: 2 %
Bernard by wide UD: 2 %
Bernard by close UD: 3 %
Bernard by SD: 3 %
draw: 1 %
Joe by SD 4 %
Joe by close UD 5 %
Joe by wide UD 60 %
Joe by KO/TKO: 20 %

 

You're not very informed. The fight was made in 2002. it was Bernard who backed out.

Not because he was scared, but because he got greedy.

After all parties reached verbal agreement, Bernard asked for double the agreed upon purse, thereby scuttling the bout.

(He lost his chance at a rematch with Jones for similar reasons.)

 

yes i know that. i am well informed enough only to echo what i said before....maybe i need to say it in layman's terms.

money talks and bull**** walks.

you tell me why the fight is being made now and i'll tell you why the fight wasn't made then.

 

There's plenty of debate about this in the other thread I was just in. But anyway, yes, point taken. I think we can all agree that this should have been happening years ago, but many people choose to ignore the facts and the reasons why it didn't, instead they place the blame on Calzaghe, who, ultimately, gets the bad rep from all the garbage that people spew every day on message boards like this. Most of it is undeserved and highly disrespectful.

Back to my point. (And I'm not just addressing you, BADINTENTIONS2, this is a general message). It was never about Joe being a ***** and hiding away in Wales, it's about a long-reigning world champion probably feeling like he shouldn't have to go chasing bums around America to earn himself a name and a glitzy lifestyle. He will go (and is going) for the right reason, IE: to fight someone like Hopkins -- and this has been said all along. I've lost count of the times I've seen Joe mention that he's ready to take on Hopkins anywhere he wants to fight, including Bernard's own back garden.

The problem I have is with people who place blame on the actual fighter as to why he didn't fight X or Y fighter or do this or do that with his career. It's not only happening to Calzaghe either, this is a common thing I've noticed since I started following boxing in the 70's. There are a considerable amount of politics involved in the business which most of us wouldn't know **** about. What's needed is a bit of tolerance and understanding. Hate and disrespect is spiralling slightly out of control.

 

I agree the fight should have been made years ago. It just seemed that your earlier post (#20) was laying the blame on Joe for it not happening.

 

i agree with you but both warren and joe consciously chose not to find out how good joe was.

forget the 'world title', in boxing (unfortunatley) because that becomes little more than leverage in the bigger scheme of things but, unfortunatley, promoters like warren like to play that for naaive boxing fans.

the idea of a 'long reigning world champion' is hand in hand with joe's position of not having a serious threat to his throne until kessler came along - and so the likes of jones and hopkins were big risks at this time.

without kessler - joe would have had no leverage to negotiate with the likes of hopkins. it was two 'protected european champs' (and that's the truth regardless of talent) who were fortuitous enough to have each other with which to catapult one of them on the european stage.

i know you're well intentioned in what you say but joe's statement that is ready to fight hopkins which has been up for so many years is also hand in hand with his call out of roy jones.

if you don't play the game..you don't PLAY the game.

it's like me calling out floyd on a much more radical and unrealistic scale.

joe knew he wouldn't get hopkins and roy way back when.
it's actually very similar to arthur abraham calling out pavlik now....

 

well it is.

joe has all the talent in the world and could have legitimaitely challenged hopkins when hopkins was a credible fighter in his prime.

before i get the hailstorm of replies - you all know that calzaghe is not fighting a prime hopkisn now. 8 years ago would be much, much more interesting.

i do blame joe (and frank warren) for this not happening earlier simply because this is how the business of boxing works and they both knew this.

why does oscar get a shot at mayorga's 'title' after a two year layoff?

because he carries weight.

why does joe have to negotiate a fight with hopkins while floyd slips hatton his calling card after hatton calls him out?

look...honestly, you have to take your chance and play the game if you want to define your career on the world stage.

benn, eubank, mclellan are synonymous of outstanding british fighters who fell short of greatness - or the chance to seize it.

and unfortunately, fighters can make big money (comparatively speaking) on the other side of the pond if they milk their public.

ricky hatton chose to beat that trend and that's why he got his fight with floyd.

 

it's normal for young people like you to make posts like this.

but i'm challenging you right now to spit out your opinion.

i bet you you won't do it without a judgement.

 

Calzaghe by comfortable UD.

 

lets see if he spots his error...

 

Come to think of it, I bet a lot of people make the same mistake.

 

You mean Benn, Eubank and Watson. McClellan was American. That's what he's laughing at.