Calzaghe vs Jones Jr, Resumes

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  1. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    First of all, Jones Jr was so naturally talented he could've won a world title on his pro debut. Jones Sr pulled him out of his NBC contract in his first few fights and hid his son away for a few years.

    Ron Amundsen > Stephen Wilson

    Jorge Vaca, Jorge Castro, Percy Harris > Mark Delaney

    Chris Eubank > Bernard Hopkins

    Sugar Boy Malinga > Robin Reid

    Thomas Tate > David Starie

    James Toney > Omar Sheika, Richie Woodhall

    Tony Thornton > Omar Sheika, Richie Woodhall

    Merqui Sosa > Charles Brewer

    Mike McCallum > Byron Mitchell

    Montell Griffin > Jeff Lacy

    Virgil Hill > Sakio Bika

    Reggie Johnson > Mikkel Kessler

    Bernard Hopkins > Eric Harding, Antonio Tarver


    You have got to give it to Jones Jr.

    He even floored Calzaghe when he was 15 years past his best and Calzaghe was coming off his best-ever back-to-back wins, just to cement it.
     
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  2. Commando

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    .....?

    I don't get it?
     
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  3. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Neither do I Sonny, neither do I.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    More interesting would be "Calzaghe vs. Jones Sr., resumes".
     
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  5. Commando

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    No I really don't get it?
     
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  6. Commando

    Commando Guest


    :lol::rofl
     
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  7. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I don't get it?
     
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  8. Commando

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    Comparing their top ten wins

    Calzaghe

    1. Bernard Hopkins
    2. Mikkel Kessler
    3. Jeff Lacy
    4. Chris Eubank
    5. Byron Mitchell
    6. Robin Reid
    7. Charles Brewer
    8. Richie Woodhall ?
    9. Omar Sheika ?
    10. Mario Veit ?



    Jones

    1. James Toney
    2. John Ruiz
    3. Bernard Hopkins
    4. Virgil Hill
    5. Antonio Tarver
    6. Montell Griffin
    7. Jorge Castro
    8. Reggie Johnson
    9. Thulani Malinga
    10. Eric Harding



    It's not even comparable.
     
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  9. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I would have Thornton over Malinga. That guy was robbed against DeWitt and Collins and beat on Mike Tinley who'd given reigning champs Nunn and Barkley headaches, and beat on Tiberi and Sosa who gave Toney headaches. He gave a very very very good account of himself against Eubank and Toney, who were at their absolute peaks at the time. Tony Thornton, RIP
     
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  10. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    That stoppage Jones Jr threw about a 20-punch flurry at Thornton who was on the ropes bobbing/slipping with peek-a-boo, and hardly any of the 20ish shots really landed... but Tony pulled his shoulder out (inj) and the ref jumped in.
     
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  11. TOMCAT

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    Sakio Bika should be on there somewhere!
     
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  12. Commando

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    I think Thornton was a good win for Jones, but Thornton wasn't at his best when he fought Roy. Thornton was still pretty good, but just couldn't handle the young extremely talented prime Roy Jones.


    Thulani Malinga had a close fight with Eubank in 1992 then arguably won against Nigel Benn in his next fight. Then got KO'ed by Jones in 1993, few years later picked up wins over Reid and Benn.


    How did you score the Thornton/Eubank fight in 1992? I haven't seen it, I heard there was a bit of controversy.
     
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  13. pahapoisu

    pahapoisu Superman! Full Member

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    Calzaghe never beat Hopkins :bart
    Jones was more dominant and had the better wins. Thats why he was the best and why he will be in the HOF.
     
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  14. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    I can pick as many holes in Jones Jr resume as I can Joe Calzaghe, also forgetting how much Jones Jr relied on his early physical advantages over other fighters and hid away from tough challenges for most of his career.

    The win over Toney isn't that impressive considering Toney's escalating weight problems and the fact that Toney never really won anything meaningful after their fight (CW fights don't really count, he was never "the man" there)

    The win over Hopkins was good, but Hopkins was green and half the fighter he was when he reached 40, something Hopkins himself even admits.

    Ultimately, Jones Jr has the better achievements due to the multiweight championships, but his losses do need to count against him and the fact that once he was past his physical prime, he had nothing left also has to count against him.

    He's only 2 years older than Calzaghe, yet was done by the age of 35, Calzaghe fought till 38, never lost and took some of his hardest challenges late in his career. Jones Jr will always be seen to have the better resume but it's not as distant as most make out.
     
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  15. Commando

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    :patsch ****in pathetic, Jones resume is highly superior to Calzaghe's. When Hopkins was 28 years old he was only half the fighter he would become when he reached 43? You are ****in atrocious man.


    The fact is Jones beat the better Hopkins, its an irefutable fact and beat him a hell of a lot more convincingly.


    Here's what you need to do...


    KNOW YOUR DAMN ROLE, AND SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH.
     
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