Calzaghe vs Jones Jr, Resumes

This...is seriously how you compare a resume...jesus f'n christ...atsch

 

Resumes aside, I respect both guys very much...but that night they fought it was pretty much the Ghost of Roy Jones.

After this fight, I have always referred to Calzaghe as Lil Roy's Daddy.

 

At least you stand by it!
:thumbsup

 

Answer the question - who did Virgill Hill beat?

 

Asking **** like this makes you look stupid. If you don't know, you'll just never give a **** no matter what anyone says... :roll:

 

So, you can't answer the question?

I mean, I've seen you act like Joe Calzaghe has no notable names or wins in his career, so, who has Virgil Hill beat? What makes him better than Eubank? What makes him better than Kessler? Oh, yes, that being American thing again, right?

 

atsch No, you have NOT seen me ACT like that. I've been a fan of his for a long time now. I just don't feel the need to kiss his ass, or try to overcompensate or exxagerrate his accomplishments out of insecurity like you Joe C fanboys do.

Nice try with the generalization dip****. Maybe if you didn't just assume all Americans hated him you wouldn't be such a ****...:roll:

And try doing your own research on Hill, IF you are so ****in smart, you'll come up with your own answer. But the fact that you ask that, suggests you never even saw Hill or know much.

 

You think hopkins won with his acting, pretending to be injured, trying to do the tango with calzaghe
It was shameful performance from hopkins just to tie up calzaghe.
The fight was awful because of hopkins and if you think hopkins won that fight :rofl
Loads of Hopkins fights have been boring because he tactically ties up his opponent, he knew he had to make that fight ugly and should have absolutely no complaints about losing it.
In his own country, at a weight he was more used to, home fans
He had all the advantages, but chose to put in that performance
I would have taken Eubank, Benn and calzaghe to give jones and hopkins nightmares

 

Yes, he beat Henry Maske in a fight many thought he lost, he then lost to Henry Maske after a ten year retirement.

Tate, Tiozzo - notable names, but hardly amazing all stars. Virgil Hill is impressive solely because he carried a decent record into an RJJ fight and got dominated in it. He's not a great, he'll probably not even make the HOF.

Talking about amateur achievements, Joe Calzaghe knocked Chris Byrd out in amateurs, only lost 3 out of 117 fights as an amateur, amateur achievements don't make any difference to professional ranks

I don't need to research Hill, I correctly know he's a mid level talent who got a title and realistically is no better than an Antonio Margarito fighter, who at one point had a name but was never anything more than a guy who would lose to the A grade talent. Because I actually watched him fight, rather than reviewed his boxrec

You didn't even see the point I was making, you state Calzaghe has a weak resume - but you say Virgill Hill is great. You needed to qualify that, you haven't - because you can't.

 

Right, so a unified multi time champion who won a championship after he lost to Calzaghe wasn't a proven champion in his prime.

A guy who was P4P #2 who had just come off his arguable best performance (Tarver) and second best performance after the fight (Pavlik) isn't a proven champion. Hopkins wasn't in his prime, but he wasn't exactly a bum

You're saying Griffin x 2 - but he lost (unfairly) one of those fights. You're talking about Tarver, but he lost two of those fights, You're not taking into account the fights Jones Jr lost against him.

You point out Calzaghe didn't travel to Germany to fight Ottke, yet anyone who actually remembers the fighters back then rather than just works from Boxrec knows Ottke ducked Calzaghe, with Calzaghe making absurd statements like "I'll fight you in Germany for 1 Euro for your titles" and not getting the fight.

You point out Calzaghe didn't travel when he travelled to far more countries than Jones or Hopkins ever have. You don't point out who between 1998 and 2003 was available for Calzaghe to face that he didn't go after (Signed contract from Hopkins that Hopkins then renegged upon).

You mention guys like Harding, Vaca, Wolfe, Castro who have less championship callibre than Kessler, Lacy, Reid, Woodhall, Starie, Hopkins, Eubank, Mitchell, etcetera.

So, like I keep pointing out, you unfairly malign fighters you didn't know at the time for fighters who were known to the American market. Reid, Woodhall, Starie, Mitchell and the version of Eubank that Calzaghe fought would all spank guys like Harding, Vaca, Wolfe, Castro, probably Hill, probably Tarver, definitely wouldn't (and didn't) lose to Johnson

I still say Jones Jr has the better resume, but not for the whole swag of notable Americans he beat, more so, the amount of titles he gained and the very few big wins he had in his career.

Lets not revise history, let Lance do that, while he claims to be a fan while doing nothing but consistently criticise Calzaghe.