Calzaghe vs Jones Jr, Resumes

I disagree, Tarver lost to much worser fighters than the guys I mentioned.

Woodhall, who has a range finding jab, good defense and good work ethics is going to lose to a fighter who can't win against good jabbing fighters?

Hill got beat and should have been beat earlier by Henry Maske - a stereotypical European stand up fighter, the other guys mentioned do their craft better than Maske, as seen by longer title reigns, bigger fights, etc. Maske was huge in Germany but he wasn't a great fighter, just a great showman

I'm sorry, but I just don't see it.

RJJ would beat anyone on Calzaghe's resume at any time, with maybe the exception of B-Hop and Kessler at the times Calzaghe fought them in his career ( RJJ was losing fights to Tarver and Johnson by the stage Calzaghe was beating B-Hop and Kessler )

Calzaghe would beat anyone on RJJ's resume at any time, with the possible exception of John Ruiz - we don't know how Calzaghe would scale at HW.

 

Roys resume is a lot better...i dont even think its close

 

The simple fact is, as good as either of them were, or were not, they both were part of a cross over in boxing where it became very easy to avoid a challenger as a 'Word Champion', when clearly being the WC wasn't really being the World Champion anymore.

Joe Calzaghe probably took it to the first extreme with his WBO rail road run.

No matter what people say today, the WBO back in the day was pretty much a European belt at best.

Both Jones and Calzaghe have questionable resumes in my eyes, and there is no question that Jones spent a lot of his career fighting weaker opponents than he should have.

 

This doesn't stack up either, for three reasons.

A: Calzaghe unified all four titles having never lost any of them in the Ring
B: Calzaghe fought something like 20 Top 10 ring rated fighters out of 46 fights, quite a high percentage
C: Calzaghe often fought guys who were coming off a dodgy loss to Sven Ottke to put pressure on Ottke to fight him, these guys were either ex champions or title challengers in the other "authoritative" organisations.

Let's face it, the WBC belt Sven Ottke had was not as highly rated as the WBO title Joe had. Why? Joe consistently outrated him in the Ring rankings and would have destroyed him had they met in the 90s (back when Calzaghe was punching)

 

Jones was way past his best when he fought Calzaghe.

But Calzaghe was also way past his best. Why is that fact always ignored in these threads?

 

Heres an easy one for you, Do you think Jones could have made the 20 defences joe did at 168 for the wbo title against same opponents absolutely. probably twenty kos! could joe do what roy did?

he wouldnt have had the balls! even admitted himself he wouldnt fight jones back inthe day hed need the crown jewels to risk his career against jones.

 

Amazing logic.

Well done.

 

Calzaghe beat every body. The fact is though, you will get no credit for beating a great fighter who has no name value. People say lww is loaded when really it just has a bunch of guys who've been promoted well and is a lot weaker than ww imo. End of the day Calzaghe called Ottke out several times, there is even old articles on here of him asking for a 50/50 split in Germany. Hopkins always ducked him until he thought he was past it. Hopkins was in his physical prime against Calzaghe and lost. Tarver>Tito (not p4p but with his size yes) Wright>De La Hoya (just too big) and Pavlik>Taylor. Make no mistake Calzaghe beat the best Hopkins. I have to ask as well why Calzaghe who fought outside of the UK 4 times gets so much stick when all these Americans stayed in their countries.

 

rob887 i like that expression rail road run!! lol imagine a marquee fighter today trying to get away with what calzaghe done theyd be lynched!!

hilarious these calzaghe fans come flying out of the woodwork after lacy!! most ppl in england had lacy by ko!!! i grew up in n ireland and live in leeds now and have watched his whole career. he let warren soil it!!

i always point this out to newer boxing fans, people gave up on calzaghe because of his injuries and lack of ambition. all forgiven though once he beat lacy and same ppl who mocked him became his fans.

you think joe would really mind a loss on his record or two if he could he higher regarded in boxing circles?

 

Wrong.

Starie
Mkertchian
McIntyre
Veit (x 2)
Ashira
Thornberry

All spent time in the Top 10 and were Top 10 during the fights with Calzaghe.

Full list of Ring Top 10 fights for Calzaghe

Eubank, Starie, Woodhall, Reid, Thornberry, Sheika, McIntyre, Mkertchian, Starie, Veit, Veit, Ashira, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Kessler, Bika, Manfredo, Hopkins, Jones Jr

Like I said, 20 out of 46.