Calzaghe vs Jones Jr, Resumes

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by atberry, May 19, 2011.


  1. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Are we forgetting that flat-footed Reid got schooled by rangey moving Malinga (who was about 40)? Or that upright Woodhall clearly lost against domestic-level in-scrapper Catley. Reid and Woodhall were so far from the finished articles, and Calzaghe shipped so many rights in both fights I had multiple whiplashes through cringing so much. You couldn't even hit Jones hardly, in his prime.

    David Starie? Oh my God. Did you see that fight? Talk about thee stinker. Starie's spoiling tactics were bad, but Calzaghe's technical and tactical skills to deal with it were shite.

    Byron Mitchell, the slow and hittable slugger who got schooled by a shot Ottke and lived off his W's over a shot Liles?

    You could've atleast mentioned Charles Brewer dude, who was a lot better than all the above-mentioned, and robbed against Echols (who gave Hopkins hell) after bashing him up.
     
  2. Rob887

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    Woodhall was totally cooked when Joe met him, it's very unfair to make out otherwise.

    Woodhall was done, that's not a knock at Calzaghe, but he really was finished.

    I'm not saying Joe wouldn't have beat him in his Prime, I think he would, more than probably quite clearly, but it's a bit of an insult to Woodhall to make out he was anything but a mere shadow of his former self when he met Joe.
     
  3. atberry

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    Woodhall's shining night was against Branco. He never looked the same again after arm/shoulder injury troubles. I think after he won the title against Malinga he dipped even further because he lost motivation.
     
  4. PugilisticPower

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    Funny then, that Woodhall gave Calzaghe potentially his toughest challenge during those years and was an even more awkward opponent in my view than Reid was for Calzaghe if he was so shot, right? He was very unlucky not to be carrying a title from his fight with Beyer just one fight before Calzaghe, so while he retired after Calzaghe beat him and while he was in the twilight, he certainly wasn't an easy beat, as seen by him outboxing Beyer through most of the rounds having been knocked down early himself.

    It's the same as the Eubank was shot argument, shot fighters don't tend to come on strong in the final rounds against younger fighters with known endurance. Shot fighters don't tend to near knock out the younger fighter in the final round through pressure and energy.
     
  5. atberry

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    Where do you get that from?

    It was an atrociously poor division, relatively, for those 10 years (TEN YEARS).
     
  6. PugilisticPower

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    Ring magazine subscriber, and the fact that I was actually watching boxing back then, something I doubt about many people who post here.

    Poor division, or just European dominated division? You be the judge.
     
  7. atberry

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    I give Calzaghe relative credit for the Eubank, Brewer and Hopkins wins. That's it.

    I thought almost all of his stoppage wins were a crock of ****, premature.
     
  8. Lance_Uppercut

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    Poor. Most of the guys Joe beat did nothing big in their careers before or after.
     
  9. PugilisticPower

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    Take away Ali and who can really point to a number of a sizeable number of guys who did things before or after they lost to them?

    ATGs very rarely fight other ATGs - if you're lucky, 1 out of 10 fights will be an amazing event with you potentially either even money or the underdog.

    Roy was never the underdog until the end of his career
    Hopkins has been underdog a lot.
    Calzaghe was an underdog for Eubank, Reid, Lacy and Hopkins - that's 1 out of 10.

    Roy has Hopkins achievements under his belt, but then Calzaghe fought in my view and the view of many, a better version of Hopkins yet gets told Hopkins was old and past it.

    Double standards, etcetera.

    Name me any fighter who has more than 10% of their fights being against other ATGs?

    Pacquaio, maybe. But then he fought most of them when they were faded.
     
  10. iceferg

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    Veit was for ages, Mger Mkrtchain was for ages, Pudwill, Thornbury. Salem, McIntyre were probably up there too. Then he beat Bika, Kessler, Hopkins and Jones who were top 10. So what's that? 17 top 10 and many more who were close.
     
  11. Commando

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    Did this guys Pugilistic power say Woodhall and ****in David Starie were as good as Jorge Castro? Holy **** you are a disgrace.

    Jorge Castro is a better win than anything on Joe's resume except for the Hopkins win. You can make an argument for Kessler as a better win than Castro but it's pretty even. Castro is Jones number 7 best win compared to Kessler who is Joe's number 2 best win....there really is no point comparing these resumes, it's plain to see Jones has the better resume.

    Even outside of the top ten who does Joe have left? Bika and Starie? Lmaoooo

    Jones has Clinton Woods, Thomas Tate, Merqui Sosa, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, Jorge Vaca and Julio Cesar Gonzalez left.

    Like I said no comparison.


    Hey atberry did you see the guy, I think his name was iceferg or some ****, he said Joe's win over Bika was equal to Jones win over Virgil Hill....
     
  12. PugilisticPower

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    So, a guy who came up from 147 to fight Jones Jr.... is better than a guy who was a natural 168 who had held titles at the weight? The same 147lber who came up to fight Jones Jr lost multiple fights, over multiple years, ended with something like a ratio of 3 wins per loss.... He's a great?

    Revisionism.
     
  13. Commando

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    Being an underdog doesn't mean **** at all, I don't why people bring this ****in nonsense up when comparing fighters....


    Anyways Jones was underdog vs Toney '94...Jones was hardly ever underdog because he was just THAT ****IN GOOD IN PEOPLES EYES, unlike Calzaghe.
     
  14. Lance_Uppercut

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    It doesn't change the fact that what I said is true about his level of opp now does it. So he beat a ton of guys who accomplished zilch. And no where did I say his oppooents had to be future ATG's or even HOFers. Do me a favor, READ what I say properly and DO NOT try to add your own bull**** to my post as if I said it. That's just your dishonesty...

    SO WTF are you ecen talking about with this 'double 'standard'...you have an prepared answer for anything, even if it isn't apt.

    Besides, most of what you said isn't even relevent to my post. Weak....
     
  15. Commando

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    Who are u talking about?