Calzaghe vs Pavlik

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atschHowd he struggle with Taylor when he knocked him out the first time and clearly won a wide UD the second, yeah the same Taylor who just so happened to beat the guy Calzaghe's fighting twice!!

 

Anybody that knows anything about styles, or boxing for that matter picks Joe Calzaghe

Barring him getting REALLY ****ing old this is a walk in the park, he'll make the slow lumbering Pavlik look a fool.

 

If you say so...

You talk about talent, but only one has great talent. Pavlik's talent is exactly that, good but not great. Added to the stylistic nightmare he faces in this fight, forget about it

Joe Calzaghe trumps him in every single attribute except power, the talent is not comparable

 

Come on...wake up. Can't you see its Slap vs BANG!!!

Kelly will wade through that crap until he lands solid & it will be welcome to ***** St., Joe Calzaghe.

 

Every fighter has a bad night, but for good fighters these are the exceptions to the rule. It is certainly pretty silly to be basing any predictions off a bad performance, when in truth Calzaghe has been consistent over the years. Added to the fact Calzaghe still won that fight clearly and it smells of clutching at straws to me

It's a moot point anyway, Bika and Pavlik are nothing alike

I could forsee how Bika might make life difficult with his rough house tactics, I don't see anything that Pavlik brings that upsets Joe. His style plays right into his hands

 

And?

I still don't see the point you are making. That was a low profile fight against a stylistic challenge for Joe

What does this have to do with a potential Pavlik matchup? Why would you base any reasoning on one of Joe's few poor performances? Setting yourself up for a fall with that kind of logic

 

Calzaghe

 

In theory anything can happen, but this is a prediction, and in predictions people explain their most likely outcome based on styles

Anybody can lose in boxing, it only takes one good shot. But if I'm asked the likelihood of Calzaghe losing this fight its very slim. I would certainly be noway near as worried as when Joe fought Kessler

 

If there is one thing everyone should know about Ordinary Joe:

-Calzaghe vs. unpredictable/out of rhythm/awkward style fighters = trouble. Can't outsmart them, can't predict them, can't place his counters or lead shots if he can't see where his opponents move. So the great timing and counterpunching doesn’t work that effectively. Also giving different angles to a figher who himself giving different angles or throwing awkward shots (Bika) creates danger for Joe, so he has to use the basics, box all night using the jab to set the pace (and not to catch his opponents moving in).

-Calzaghe vs. (not necessarily slow or unskilled) predictable fighters = HOF success. Joe's ability to learn in 2 minutes what is a predictable fighter capable of and how to break their pace, make them miss is stunning and unbelievable. Predictable fighters, especially the one-dimensionals are using the same combos all night (Pavlik: jab-right hand, jab-right-uppercut, jab-body shot), practicing the same shots and combos over and over again in the gym and Joe sees them all because they can’t surprise him. Even Kessler was a bit robotic (it is the first time I've written it down, probably the last), but Lacy is even a better example. Jeff, an experienced amateur tried to be the aggressor all night, but every time he tried to move in, 4 punches from 4 different angles caught him.

Pavlik is a huge, very strong, very hard hitting, accurate puncher with a good jab and great follow-up combinations, but also VERY predictable. Calzaghe (who's a southpaw and could give trouble just because of that) can take away the jab easily moving side to side or using his upper body movement and BANG! two shots land even if Kelly threw just the jab. Or Joe could just use his quicker jab to break Kelly’s left therefore his rhythm. If Pavlik throws a 1-2 and misses, I see a lot of opportunities for Joe to counter and land his own. Pavlik’s defense is mainly his offense, but if he’s forced to use the 'real' defense, I’m sorry, but he’s horrible. Probably because he never had a long amateur career competing (getting his a** kicked) vs. the international elite. You could see it how he reacted to the punch that stunned him in the first Taylor fight. An experienced boxer would still move his head/upper body/hands to block/legs to move away blindly, from the muscles that learnt how to react when the mind isn’t clear. But Pavlik did NOTHING in terms of defense, just stayed there, couldn't move away or block the upcoming Taylor punches, put out his chin of course and got nailed even worse... When he was stunned, he just didn’t know what to do...

The first time Pavlik leaves himself wide open vs. Calzaghe (which can be after a missed 1-2) Joe will jump on him and start to land from all angles, and I just can't see that how can Kelly get away from that situation... He just can't move his head and upper body or hands and gloves to block 4-5-6 quick shots (because he barely got nailed with combos in his whole career) and I see punches landing after punches because his body never learnt how to react when the head is in reset mode. I see Calzaghe taking away Pavlik's jab easily, moving in with his own, landing vicious combos, give Kelly a lot different angles from the outside as well as the inside, body-head shots, everything... and Kelly presents so much opportunities.

Great punch output? The more Kelly throws the more Calzaghe can counter. Kelly’s a kind of fighter who jumps on his opponents takes them apart (Miranda, Taylor in the first fight). But if a fighter (not many) can break Pavlik’s aggression, take away his jab, make him miss, give him angles, turn to his side I see Kelly as a very vulnerable fighter. Of course it takes a Joe Calzaghe to pull that off, but I’ve never seen a fighter doing it better than Joe while still making the fight very exciting.

 

Spectacularly good post :good

 

i pick calzaghe winning over pavlik via wide ud

 

basically pavliks defence is poor.any fighter going in against calzaghe with a poor defence is in big big trouble.

 

Very good post by bigbone. However factors like Calzaghes age and weight problems if the fight is at 168 could come into play.