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Calzaghe Vs RJJ , Both in Prime

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Rj 9-3

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Jones by UD.

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Jones by UD.

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Calzaghe wins going away, too fast, too strong and too smart for RJJ, great fighter tho he was. and this would be and RJJ that beat a prime James toney? would this be the same Toney that openly ducked both Benn and Eubank after excepting both of their challenges on Live TV the week before they rematched in 1993.
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LOL, this post just made my day.:nut

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LOL, this post just made my day.:nut
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referr to the first couple of pages if you want to make your week..

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I'm not going to go into anything too long here, but here are some misconceptions you have(or the other guy who was saying Calzaghe would destroy Jones).

Jones actually had 12 fights at SMW, they just weren't in succession. 10 ended by KO. Calzaghe is somewhat slower than Jones at SMW, but it's not glaring. What IS glaring is that Jones throws each punch with power, where as Calzaghe actually increases his speed by putting less power on his shots. Their speed to power ratios are not close.

You are looking at tape and seeing that Jones had time to do what he wanted, and you see where Calzaghe could pressure him and not give him that time. The reason Jones has that time is because pressuring Jones meant taking punches coming in and on the way out, and with his power, that was a silly proposition. Remember, Jones had 33 wins and 29 KO's before going to LHW to face larger men. He stunned Ruiz. Griffin actually effectively pressured Jones for a while due to his unothodox defensive shell. Eventually Jones figured him out, before getting DQ'd. Jones footspeed doesn't allow for effective pressure, and his handspeed and power kept you at bay.

Calzaghe is not going to bring anything to the table other than workrate as an advantage, and it's not enough. He squares up too much and will get tagged alot. Kessler hit him flush, so Jones would hit alot. And to the guy who said Kessler had more power or equal power to Jones....based on what?
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:good Not sure I could have said it better. If Joe swarmed the prime Roy that I remember, he would lose by KO5. There is a reason alot of guys punch stats went way down when they fought Roy. He would hit him right in between that swarming bull****. :deal

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Close UD to Calzaghe. In 2008 it would be KO to Calzaghe.

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^^Maybe you should go back to watching soccer .

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C HOP said:

Ok show me a tape of him doing a 20 hit combo , and im positivie that he could not keep that work rate up against calzaghe cos what ever calzaghe does ive seen him win through , guys go toe to toe with calzaghe he figures out there ryhtem then lands five combos while the other person is still woundering where that came from (LAcy fight)

Ive watched RJJ and there are tons of moments in his fights where he stays away and meassures up his opponent calzaghe wouldnt give him a time to do that , rjj always had time to make the first move , calzaghe wouldnt have him do that ,

If RJJ has to fight the way he wants then he will just have to keep on trying to make calzaghe make mistakes which he really does , Jones was a superp talent but i keep watching his tapes and compare them to calzaghe and i always feel there are oppeninings to which JC can land more fluent shots

IF JC did win the fight , I wouldnt be surprised and If RJJ did get beat of the slower , weaker boxer ive seen more surprising things in boxing
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lol, you obviously havent watched much of ROy Jones in his prime to come up with this.
JC can pressure fighters and throw a lot fo punches now, b/c no1 on the other end isnt fast enough to his his ass back double time, and harder at that. If you think swarming RJ is the way to go 2 win, watch Roy Jones vs Bryant Brannon 1st, and then come back. Joe is a good fighter, but in his prime Rj was superman with gloves. I got the fight RJ by 7th round KO. I kno people will get upset with me saying that. At 168 Jones damn near landed whatever punch he wanted, did whatever he wanted to do, and no1 could stop him from doing it. Calzaghe is good, but if he fought Jones in his prime, he would get dat ass tapped

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Sinew said:

^^Maybe you should go back to watching soccer .
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wtf no contest rjj makes jc look foolish rjj imo top 5 atg Calzaghe is good no doubt but rjj is just better in all departments faster stronger better boxer better footwork . No contest IMO

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kg0208 said:

I'm not going to go into anything too long here, but here are some misconceptions you have(or the other guy who was saying Calzaghe would destroy Jones).

Jones actually had 12 fights at SMW, they just weren't in succession. 10 ended by KO. Calzaghe is somewhat slower than Jones at SMW, but it's not glaring. What IS glaring is that Jones throws each punch with power, where as Calzaghe actually increases his speed by putting less power on his shots. Their speed to power ratios are not close.

You are looking at tape and seeing that Jones had time to do what he wanted, and you see where Calzaghe could pressure him and not give him that time. The reason Jones has that time is because pressuring Jones meant taking punches coming in and on the way out, and with his power, that was a silly proposition. Remember, Jones had 33 wins and 29 KO's before going to LHW to face larger men. He stunned Ruiz. Griffin actually effectively pressured Jones for a while due to his unothodox defensive shell. Eventually Jones figured him out, before getting DQ'd. Jones footspeed doesn't allow for effective pressure, and his handspeed and power kept you at bay.

Calzaghe is not going to bring anything to the table other than workrate as an advantage, and it's not enough. He squares up too much and will get tagged alot. Kessler hit him flush, so Jones would hit alot. And to the guy who said Kessler had more power or equal power to Jones....based on what?
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well KG basically said what I said, but he was just a little broader with his explanation. But I agree fully, great post:good

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lol, you obviously havent watched much of ROy Jones in his prime to come up with this.
JC can pressure fighters and throw a lot fo punches now, b/c no1 on the other end isnt fast enough to his his ass back double time, and harder at that. If you think swarming RJ is the way to go 2 win, watch Roy Jones vs Bryant Brannon 1st, and then come back. Joe is a good fighter, but in his prime Rj was superman with gloves. I got the fight RJ by 7th round KO. I kno people will get upset with me saying that. At 168 Jones damn near landed whatever punch he wanted, did whatever he wanted to do, and no1 could stop him from doing it. Calzaghe is good, but if he fought Jones in his prime, he would get dat ass tapped
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jones would not knock JC out. Joe's got a very good beard and more than that he's a clever boxer... once he knew he was outgunned he would fight to go the distance and it would

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MancMexican said:

jones would not knock JC out. Joe's got a very good beard and more than that he's a clever boxer... once he knew he was outgunned he would fight to go the distance and it would
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He got a solid beard when you dont get hit with hard precise shits in succession. RJ was knocking damn near every1 out at 168. I think RJ would KO Calzaghe in their primes

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Fab2333 said:

He got a solid beard when you dont get hit with hard precise shits in succession. RJ was knocking damn near every1 out at 168. I think RJ would KO Calzaghe in their primes
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im not saying that jones wasnt a beast, but he didnt have a 100% ko ratio did he? calzaghe has a very good chin, excellent reflexes, great recovery powers, the heart of a lion and an intelligent boxing brain... enough to survive

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