Calzaghe vs RJJ's resume

You're ignoring that Calzaghe was well past it at that point.

Jones never stops Calzaghe, if anything it's more likely to be the other way around. Joe before his hand problems had decent power. If he landed the left hand he hit Eubank with, it's lights out for Roy! If we use the Roy Jones after the Richard Hall fight, so without steroids, this is a hard fight to call. Remember, after Roy failed that drugs test, his record since has been 13-7.

The McCallum that Jones fought was washed up. The Toney that Jones fought was awful, so sluggish, immobile and drained. Joe would be far too active and well conditioned.

Once again, with John Ruiz we don't know, as it's not clear how well Calzaghe would handle weighing 193. P4P Calzaghe is far greater than John Ruiz though.
When Joe went up to LHW, he was 36 years old and past his best, it's a shame he didn't move up sooner in his career, he could have been a force there.

 

Joe would have won some and loss some ..

 

Roy fought good opposition pretty consistently. Yes, he had some weak ones in there, but most fighters do. If Calzaghe fought the same opp. he would probably have quite a few loses imo. Castro, Hopkins (possibly), Tate, Toney, would have given him problems, up at 175 its hard to say cause Joe only beat two old fighters who didnt offer up much offensively.

 

RJJ would decapitate Calzaghe with lead left hooks.

Calzaghe is a mid range slugger, RJJ was a man who used his superior Foot speed to keep out of harms way, would dart in land some shots and dart back out and wait for the next opportunity.

RJJ already beaten fighters better quality than Calzaghe.

Toney, Hopkins > Calzaghe.

And RJJ beat them with ease. Calzaghe would have been easier work. There is a reason why Calzaghe asked for the crown jewels to step into the ring with RJJ.

And a roided up RJJ, would have slaughtered Calzaghe even quicker. Calzaghe knows this himself.

 

All that being said, jones was not the same fighter after coming back to Light Heavy after going to Heavy. His legs were gone he stood around and let people pound his body, and was KO'd several times. Calzaghe never took any challenges when he was younger, he called out Roy and Benard but didn't have a following in the US. Calzaghe did not try to make a name for himself outside the UK until late in his career. By that time every big name fighter out there were far passed their prime. So, we watched a way passed his prime RJJ fight Calzaghe and RJJ go the distance. RJJ was stopped by Taver and Johnson while he was much younger. I think Calzaghe missed the boat he waited too long to try and claim ATGness because every ATG he fought was passed his best.

 

You overrate Joe here.

Look at him vs Kessler. Joe was caught flush several times. Difference is, that Roy had more power. I can see Joe get dropped and stopped.

The left that landed on Eubank was a good shot. But it was a flash down, Eubank was not really hurt. Comparable with Hopkins dropping Joe. Looked impressive, but meant little. Joe had average power, nothing more.

Saying Joe would beat Hopkins is stretching. It's a pick em fight.

 

Calzaghe beat Hopkins as well. Remember, the Hopkins that RJJ beat, needed another two attempts to win a world title. When Calzaghe beat Hopkins, he was on the best run of his career, beating Tarver, Wright and then Pavlik straight after. They say that was one of Bernard's best ever performances. Since the Calzaghe fight, no-one has beaten Hopkins, and he went on to regain the title.

The James Toney that Roy beat was a shadow of himself. Heavily weight drained and ill disciplined, he looked a shadow of himself. Whilst undoubtedly a talented fighter, in his prime, James Toney was getting beaten up by fighters like Montell Griffin and Drake Thadzi atsch He also fought a close split decision with Dave Tiberi

Don't try and use the weight loss as an excuse, that myth has already been busted

[url]http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12524664&postcount=507[/url]

Read through that post, and through that thread. People say Calzaghe was frail at 36 years old at LHW, at 35 years old RJJ got destroyed by Glen Johnson! Calzaghe fought Chris Eubank for his first world title. He offered to come to America to fight Hopkins, and chased a fight with RJJ for years. Look at Jones' level of competition between and Ruiz, it's painful. McCallum and Hill were well past it! Johnson was a good win, Tate and Malinga are notable, and other than that it's terrible.

As I said before, it's a shame things didn't happen for Joe in his career a few years earlier, if he moved up to LHW at 31 years old, he could have been a real force there.

He did get hurt in the early rounds of the Kessler fight. That was a prime, undefeated Kessler who many considered the man at 168. Kessler is a far better opponent than the vast majority of fighters RJJ faced.

 

Too much being put into this RJJ is glass jawed, RJJ has taken alot more harder punches than the one Calzaghe landed on Eubank.

The hardest punch I have seen Calzaghe land was against Byron Mitchell, maybe it was because Mitchell was rushing forward and never saw the punch coming, but even then that wasnt a hard shot.

Calzaghe never had 1 punch Power like RJJ had.

Calzaghe never put any off his opponents to sleep, we have all see the Calzaghe the KO specialist videos, and I think it is clear to see Calzaghe wasnt a scary puncher.

This one is scary and BHop aint even a Big hitter.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScRv9xzLeW8[/ame]
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So you're denying that RJJ has a glass jaw? Remember what feather fisted Glen Johnson did to him. The shot that Joe hit Eubank with was a pearler, it would be game over if that shot hit Roy, who got dropped by feather fisted Lou Del Valle in his prime.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp7h37fMneg[/ame]

 

The Hopkins that Calzaghe beat was mentally stronger than the Hopkins that RJJ beat.

The Hopkins that RJJ beat was physically stronger than the Hopkins that Calzaghe beat.

Calzaghe never beat Hopkins on ring smarts, on ring smarts alone Calzaghe was being owned.

Calzaghe got the decision because of his high workrate, he was able to outwork the physically past prime Hopkins.

Would Calzaghe be able to outwork the Hopkins that RJJ beat? He just barely outworked an old Hopkins to a SD win, so what makes you think prime Calzaghe would be able to outwork a prime Hopkins, since based on ring smarts Hopkins owns Calzaghe, and Hopkins back in his early MW days was able to fight 15 rounds.

James Toney the night RJJ beat him wasnt the best version. But still lost his undefeated record to a great fighter in RJJ. No way do I think James Toney would lose his undefeated record to Calzaghe.

Calzaghe has been open to counter right hands, as shown by Robin Reid. A prime calzaghe got SD'd by a Robin Reid, imagine what a James Toney would do whose best weapon is the counter right hand.

RJJ had been through alot more than Calzaghe.

Calzaghe before Jeff Lacy, his biggest fight was against a semi retired, past his best, Weight drained Chris Eubank. A Robin Reid and Richie Woodhall.

Not to mention, Tocker Pudwill, Rick Thornberries and what not.

RJJ was a former LMW, who moved through the ranks and fought way better opposition. Obviously he would have been more battle torned than Calzaghe.

Calzaghe never went through battles, and went life and death with Byron Mitchell.

Eubank was semi retired, a person who was no longer a SMW, and was training to fight Mark Prince at LHW. Also was pretty much past his best. And was a late replacement at 2 weeks notice.

Yes Hopkins refused a career high payday at the time.

Calzaghe never wanted RJJ, he mentioned his name a few times but also said he wanted the crown jewels to fight RJJ. Crown Jewels is a fortune man.

This is the thread title, and this is the answer

RJJ's resume > Calzaghe's resume

I blame his fish eyed promoter

When you say vast majority, do you mean the bums that RJJ fought at the begining of his career if so then I agree.

But if you are saying,

Kessler > Toney, I disagree. And I would like to get into this.

 

your a ****in idiot if you think glen Johnson is feather fisted. You have zero credibility

 

Old fighters dont have the same speed, stamina and power as when they are young, even if they can have improved theirt art. Is the old Hopkins better than the young Hopkins? That depends on who the opponent is. Stylewise I believed it did benefit Joe to fight the old version. A young Hopkins would have been more active, and to be honest, Joe won much thanks to Hopkins doing **** in the later rounds.

What makes you believe that?

Yeah, he is. Or was. All I am saying is that if Calzaghe would have fought Jones he would get caught with some bloody painfull shots.

 

There are levels of glass jaw, RJJ is in one of the higher tiers of glass jaw, the lower tiers contain the likes of Jason Litzau.

Lou Del Valle was a LHW, and RJJ started his career at LMW. Also RJJ has a shaky chin, this aint the discussion.

The shot which Calzaghe landed on Eubank wasnt a pearlier, what the **** is a pearler anyway? answer that.

Eubank got up and smiled and said well done joey.

You saying Calzaghe would make RJJ game over with that shot

Answer this question

Name one fighter, whether glass jaw or iron chinned, that Calzaghe has put to sleep?

You wont name one man.

 

I really dont get this "weight drained"-argument. Obivously you might be affected by boiling down fast. But when you boil back down to your natural weight, is it really a big deal?

He was past his best, but semi retired means nothing. Floyd was semi retired before he fought Ortiz. Haye is retired, but it wont mean **** if he gets a fight with Vitali.

Cant believe we are back to debating Calslappy again

 

Here is RJJ's scariest KO:
- Go to 1:39 of this video

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOs39bxFb18[/ame]

Here is so called feather fisted Glen Johnson's scariest KO:
- So called feather fisted atsch

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0c8fXHp-4[/ame]

Here is Bernard Hopkins scariest KO
- Joe Lipsey never fought again

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScRv9xzLeW8[/ame]

And here is Joe Calzaghe's Scariest KO:
- :roflatsch

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2d2UzAch8g[/ame]