Calzaghe vs. Toney, Jones, and Hopkins

Calzaghe very slight favourite over Toney.
Slight underdog against BHop.
Looses most rounds against Jones.

 

Note the "capability" aspect of my original remark. He was actually pretty sparing with Tarver. He was much more active with Winky. Anyway, I address the overall significance of Bernard's 'prime' and what it would mean in all areas in the post where I respond to your initial post. Having full mobility makes a tremendous difference in all areas.

 

Calzaghe would beat Toney, but mosts of his shots would be parried, it would be enough to take a points decision.

Calzaghe beats Hopkins in a similar fashion to how he already has.

Jones beats Calzaghe, probably about 116 - 111.

 

That is why it is tough to call a Hopkins prime. I have no problem with people saying Hopkins wins, but it is by no means cut and dry. Prime Calzaghe is a good deal faster than the one that is around now. The drop in hand speed from just the Lacy fight to Kessler fight is glaringly obvious.

 

Hopkins was landing unnatural, poorly executed punches against Pavlik in a generic effort to keep throwing. Hopkins was sucking wind in that fight. Sadly, I know you're correct. Some people actually can't see the difference between the machine like youthful Hopkins who's arms moved like a piston with tireless brilliant fast footwork, and the cagey old man around today.. Sad but true.

 

Calzaghe adapted long ago to his hand injuries, nothing in that regard has changed from Lacy or the few fights around the period. If you cannot see the difference in hand speed from the Lacy fight to the Kessler fight, I don't know what to tell you.

 

Calzaghe was faster than Hopkins in overall speed with a 7-8 year age advantage when they did actually fight. I see no possible chance that Calzaghe having slightly more speed, and Hopkins having significantly overall faster movement in all areas makes any sort of difference in favor of Calzaghe.

 

I think Joe's weakness is that he can get sloppy at times throwing all those punches---against a deadly counter puncher as Toney, this would be a huge mistake and Toney wins this one.

I picked Jones and Bhop as well.

JoeyP

 

I'm going with Jones and Hopkins beat Calzaghe in their primes and Calzaghe beats Toney.

 

Coulnd't have said it better.

Too bad there's no option for this choice in the poll. :twisted:

 

Calzaghes style is made for Toney. Toney is the most deadly sneaky counter puncher out of the three. Calzaghe lunges in. How many people have we seen Toney murk jumping in on him. Calzaghe would catch some mean right hands. I see Calzaghe winning rounds on workrate but his punches will have 0 effect on Toney while Toney's counters would get Calzaghes attention early. Toney is the most likely to knock him out. Jones beats him, possible KO probably not b/c Jones would use his legs. Bhop and Joe would of been a war that I see Bhop coming out on top b/c Joe would get knocked down probably once or twice. He will get up and finish and probably win 6 rounds.

 

Against a prime Jones -Jones by UD .

He just beat the best version Of Hopkins he could have faced ..

And a with Toney is a pickem fight ..Imagine how many missed punches are in this fight ?

 

He looked quicker vs Pavlik than his early fight vs Taylor