Calzaghe would definitely have stopped Hopkins with a competent referee

she also had calzaghe beating lacy, 119-107. her scorecards in all those fights were within reason.

 

Who didn't have calzaghe beating lacy????!!!!!:rofl:roflatsch

 

I'm not sure what your point is. If the pavlik- lopez scorecard was within reason then if the fight was scored as a draw by all three judges there would be no out cry over the result?

 

First, never expect reason around here if Kelly Pavlik is mentioned in any way shape or form.

Need to look it up, but wasn't A. Byrd also called out over her scores for Holyfield over L. Lewis in the first fight?

 

Well I kinda agree, Ive gone off Calzaghe after the whole coke incident but I could see another Ref stopping the fight and not allowing Hopkins any brakes and a flurry ala menfredo stoppage with Hopkins in the corner tired and out of breath

 

I hope you get banned for this dumb ****.

 

no, that was eugenia williams.

I dont think calzaghe would have stopped hopkins, but there would have always been the possibility, if the ref had done something to stop the excessive clinching by hopkins, of calzaghe getting hop in the corner and unleashing one of his unanswered flurries.
and to anyone that thinks hopkins was unhurt by joe's "slaps" why would he spend so much time clinching and feigning being hit below the belt?

 

Most people don't even think he won the fight.

 

most people do think calzaghe won the fight, i've seen polls on here done nearer the time where 80% have voted in favour of joe
Try to find one reputable boxing writer saying it was a robbery

 

There's a recurring pattern on this forum in which every few months a bunch of new alts pop up trying to rewrite history claiming Hopkins beat Calzaghe, only to be schooled and embarrassed, forcing them to admit defeat and inevitably vanish.

Sugar Joe beat Hopkins. Accept it and you'll feel better, otherwise you may end up like esb's biggest spastic white tiger, still obsessed and completely unable to come to terms with his hero Enzo being exposed as a glass jawed fraud against Haye - years ago.

 

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. I understand that Hopkins is an American legend that people want to see as an iconic figure. America love a reformist and Hopkins as a former armed robber turned world champ is just the story that wins Americas hearts but...

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1. Calzaghe landed more than 100 punches than Hopkins throughout the fight.
2. Contrary to what people want to believe, Calzaghe also made Hopkins miss more
3. All round punch percentages, Calzaghe finished ahead of Hopkins
4. Calzaghe outlanded Hopkins in every round
5. A Byrd who scored for Hopkins it appears has a history for bad scorecards. Type in Adalaide Byrd in Google and see what comes up for yourself, still here are some little things for you to look at
a. A Byrd was the only judge out of the 3 scoring judges that had Mack ahead against Cloud
b. The K Pavlik - A Lopez fight was scored 98-92, 99-91 by the other 2 judges, A Byrd scored it 95-95
c. A Byrd was one of the judges that had Morales a 4 point loser against Maidana
d. In the S Aydin vs S Ouali fight, the other 2 judges scored clearly for Aydin. Byrd scored for Ouali
e. The J Almaraz/C Tyler fight was scored a Maj-Dec all because of one judge, guess which? A Byrd
f. The A DeMarco/J Reyes fight was a SD. Guess who the odd judge out was? A Byrd.
g. The R Torres - M Arnaoutis fight was a close fight, a point either way to 2 judges but a wide result scored by Byrd
h. In the A Pryor Jr/D Stanislavjevic SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd
i. The W Ferguson/J Lopez SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd

I think thats enough for you to get the picture with Byrd. Remember the other 2 judges scored clearly for Calzaghe

6. Calzaghe beat Hopkins in America, at a new weight with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref.
7. Calzaghe scored the single highest score card against Hopkins ever 116-111.
8. The 2 judges that scored for Calzaghe agreed on 9 of the rounds
9. Calzaghe landed more on Hopkins than anyone ever.




Now I know there will be a flood of people coming on here noting Hopkins scoring a flash KD in the first round, and I agree that Hopkins did win a few rounds even when he didnt land as often, but people are mad if they think Calzaghe won on workrate, Calzaghe won because he was able to land his left more often than Hopkins could land his right.
Calzaghe finished the stronger and took away the moments Hopkins likes down the stretch.
Other thoughts, If Hopkins thought he was winning, do you think he would have been looking for time out and would bother trying to get points deducted off of Calzaghe, of course he wouldnt, Hopkins knew he was losing.

Yes I think there is a good chance Hopkins would have been stopped if there had of been a ref that didnt give Hopkins time out and let him hold illegally at a constant level.

What I do note is that nobody seems to mind Hopkins lost to Taylor. In the first Hopkins/Taylor fight, Jermaine was badly hurt and Hopkins looked the stronger at the end, yet it seems to upset alot of these people that Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Appears very biased.

 

Dubace is a complete and utter fool who cant stand the fact that Calzaghe beat Hopkins :|.
Here Dubace is saying its hard to dispute that Hopkins lost any of the first 7 rounds . Hopkins won round 1 with a KD, but was outlanded in every round and even a Hopkins nuthugger would have trouble trying to convince someone that Hopkins won rounds 4, 5 and 7 even with Hopkins landing a big headbutt followed by a punch at the end of round 7 Hopkins lost that round and by all 3 judges including known for bad scoring A Byrd :smoke

 

Is this why some people don't like bailey on this forum? Because his arguments consist of facts rather than opinions.

 

Calzaghe clearly beat Hopkins. If Hopkins hadnt of gone on to have a solid career after losing to Calzaghe, everyone would say Calzaghe won, but because Calzaghe has retired, and Hopkins won a world title again, they say different.
Rewind back to just after the fight and people were calling for Hopkins to retire after losing to Calzaghe, saying he lost and was shot, even walking to the wrong corner 7 times or so

 

Facts count, opinions are just opinions. When these nuthuggers get presented with facts they try desperately hard to rewrite history