Calzaghe would definitely have stopped Hopkins with a competent referee

I think anyone that says that x boxer can't stop x boxer has never been in the ring.

Look at Kessler as example. Never had I see him hurt more than in the rd against sir joe. he got body shot by calz and was in dire trouble.

Yes calz is no Tyson but to say he can't hurt u or ktfo is just plain ******ed.
Why do u think bhop boxed like a ***** for 11 rds?
Because he wasnt afraid of the slaps?

Pull another one.

 

Paulie Malignaggi's auntie Paula Malignaggi packed more power than Joe "Kit Kat Fingers" Calzaghe. :deal

 

Constructive retort !!!

Well done popkins.atsch

 

There is only one Joe calzaghe!!!


Legend

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=GB#/watch?v=qUTGQ47Qwrs

 

I guess maths isn't your strong point.

 

That's beneath you.

Hopkins still couldn't beat "Kit Kat Fingers".

I'm a fan of both

 

7-5 with a 10-8 round for the knockdown makes a 114-113 scorecardatsch

 

Yes they all want to avoid this post because it has solid facts that cannot be debated against.
I will keep presenting that post as it reminds people of the true facts

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. I understand that Hopkins is an American legend that people want to see as an iconic figure. America love a reformist and Hopkins as a former armed robber turned world champ is just the story that wins Americas hearts but...

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1. Calzaghe landed more than 100 punches than Hopkins throughout the fight.
2. Contrary to what people want to believe, Calzaghe also made Hopkins miss more
3. All round punch percentages, Calzaghe finished ahead of Hopkins
4. Calzaghe outlanded Hopkins in every round
5. A Byrd who scored for Hopkins it appears has a history for bad scorecards. Type in Adalaide Byrd in Google and see what comes up for yourself, still here are some little things for you to look at
a. A Byrd was the only judge out of the 3 scoring judges that had Mack ahead against Cloud
b. The K Pavlik - A Lopez fight was scored 98-92, 99-91 by the other 2 judges, A Byrd scored it 95-95
c. A Byrd was one of the judges that had Morales a 4 point loser against Maidana
d. In the S Aydin vs S Ouali fight, the other 2 judges scored clearly for Aydin. Byrd scored for Ouali
e. The J Almaraz/C Tyler fight was scored a Maj-Dec all because of one judge, guess which? A Byrd
f. The A DeMarco/J Reyes fight was a SD. Guess who the odd judge out was? A Byrd.
g. The R Torres - M Arnaoutis fight was a close fight, a point either way to 2 judges but a wide result scored by Byrd
h. In the A Pryor Jr/D Stanislavjevic SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd
i. The W Ferguson/J Lopez SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd

I think thats enough for you to get the picture with Byrd. Remember the other 2 judges scored clearly for Calzaghe

6. Calzaghe beat Hopkins in America, at a new weight with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref.
7. Calzaghe scored the single highest score card against Hopkins ever 116-111.
8. The 2 judges that scored for Calzaghe agreed on 9 of the rounds
9. Calzaghe landed more on Hopkins than anyone ever.




Now I know there will be a flood of people coming on here noting Hopkins scoring a flash KD in the first round, and I agree that Hopkins did win a few rounds even when he didnt land as often, but people are mad if they think Calzaghe won on workrate, Calzaghe won because he was able to land his left more often than Hopkins could land his right.
Calzaghe finished the stronger and took away the moments Hopkins likes down the stretch.
Other thoughts, If Hopkins thought he was winning, do you think he would have been looking for time out and would bother trying to get points deducted off of Calzaghe, of course he wouldnt, Hopkins knew he was losing.

Yes I think there is a good chance Hopkins would have been stopped if there had of been a ref that didnt give Hopkins time out and let him hold illegally at a constant level.

What I do note is that nobody seems to mind Hopkins lost to Taylor. In the first Hopkins/Taylor fight, Jermaine was badly hurt and Hopkins looked the stronger at the end, yet it seems to upset alot of these people that Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Appears very biased.

:deal



The reason for this post again, is that nobody can debate against the solid facts and want to rewrite what happend, but the facts are facts

 

A prime Bernard Hopkins free of stamina concerns would've beaten Kit Kat Fingers like a naughty stepchild.

 

Bailey that is a poor comparison and a misrepresentation of your opinion. You don't think joe would have stopped hopkins under a different referee.

As for the outlanding, punchstats are not how you score a fight. I have no interest in rewatching hopkins v joe for scoring purposes.

 

You have a an agenda, which I dont care for. But my example was sound. Cortez let Hopkins illegally hold, without that unfair help, who knows what would happen. I havent said Calzaghe would have stopped Hopkins, but said with fair reffing its possible as Hopkins was illegally allowed to hold on to prevent himself being worked over.
I know how fights are scored and even noted that in my longer post, but it does help massively if one fighter lands more than the other, and I could also note how Calzaghe was the one taking ring centre, moving Hopkins at will, having Hopkins hold to survive, pushing Hopkins back and having Hopkins looking for time out, all those things influence the scoring of a fight, particularly when one fighter is looking a winner and the other is complaining faking low blows

 

And what agenda do you think I have? I have said at the time I had joe winning and I never intend to watch it for scoring purposes.

However we both know that you disagree with this thread title, don't dispute that bailey because you'd be lying if you did.

Yes there are 4 main criteria and not one is related to amount of punches thrown and landed. What was your rbr scorecard?

 

it's easy to just post scores without watching the fights. the lopez-pavilk fight was a draw if i've ever seen one. 99-91 scorecard in that fight was disgraceful. it's funny how so much of a big deal is made that joe came to america and won the fight. there's were 12,000 welshmen there. it was basically a home fight for joe.

 

Bob, go and clean up your glasses. Ridiculous statement to say the least. Calzaghe was clearly the less stronger fighter and could not engage too much with the risk of going against the wall. Hopkins wanted to take him to school and show that volume without anything to go with it doesn't mean ****. Calzaghe was picking himself up any and every given time he had Nard firing back from the ropes. I give props to Joey for keeping it up so high that sometimes it had Old Man River without air to breath... Nowhere near a situation to ask for a Cortez intervention.

 

Why is it that some ESB-posters only answer Bailey with a bunsh of insults, rather than argumentation? It seems to be a common pattern :huh