Calzaghe

What a lame comeback in regards to Hopkins.

Everyone, even his most ardent fans on this board have acknowledged that post Trinidad, there was pretty much **** all for Hopkins left to do at the weight. Hence the lack of activity following Tito - one fight in 2002 against a blown up Jnr Middle and two fights in 2003 one of which was against Morrade Hakkar.

During this time he flirted with a rematch with RJJ put rejected very good terms for that fight with one of boxings biggest superstars. He also rejected the Calzaghe fight. He was LOOKING intially to move up in weight.

Why didn't he? Because around that time ODLH started making noise about moving up to 160. That meant big $$$. Hey, I don't blame Hopkins. Easy money. But why is it exactly that you dismiss Hopkins moving up to fight at SMW or LHW but demand that Calzaghe does the same? Double standards again.

 

Yes you ****ing did. You said something along the lines I only heard Calzaghe call out Ottke once on sky sports then you went backtracking like a little ***** when I pointed out other occasions and different ways that JC called out Ottke.

However, credit is due you FINALLY raise a valid point. Yes I actually agree, Calzaghe could have perhaps went to Germany and heckled the reluctant German. That is actually a decent point and makes much more sense than saying Calzaghe should go to Germany and fight some contender there so that Ottke can see who he is :nut

And Calzaghe called out Hopkins is numerous unavoidable ways. In interviews on TV. In major publications. Open letters to his promoter. Do not bull**** about things you don't know about mate - Ottke did not want to know pure and simple. And if he fought him on the condition it was in Germany then I could fully understand why given the screw jobs that have went on with Ottke there. Dodgy decisions(Larson.) Biased ref to the extreme(Reid). That you actually deny that that place is corrupt is embarrassing and I question how many fights you have seen in Germany involving major hometown fighters in particular.

Only last week we witnessed the spectacle of a ref helping the hometown fighter to his feet :rofl No its not corrupt at all honest!

 

There may have been little for Hopkins to beat at middleweight, but unfortunately there was also little for Hopkins to at supermiddleweight - just a guy with no great wins and no name who was fighting nobodies in Britain. Why would he move up for that? :roll:

 

If your actually trying to argue that beating Calzaghe, even at that point, in terms of legacy was of less worth than beating Carl Daniels or Morrade Hakkar your mad mate.

Calzaghe at that point unbeaten 5 year World Champion with some notable names on his record. Hopkins beats him and he gains recognition as a two weight world champion and we all know how the Americans love that (example DLH ludicrously draining himself to make 130 in the pursuit of eventual 6 division champ status.)

Furthermore, Hopkins obviously thought, even then, that it was a fight worth making. That he pulled out was less to do with it being worthwhile, it obviously was in comparison to the fights he took around that time, and more to do with the strong risk of losing after working so hard to gain recognition for years. Why risk fighting a big SMW when he could make so much more money fighting a blown up welter if he just hung around a while? Perfectly logical.

Nonetheless for all your spin the fact remains Calzaghe was ready and willing to fight Hopkins on his terms as far back as 2002!

Is that not a risk to you at all? Is that not an attempt to fight a great elite fighter? Answer the question: Yes or No!

 

No, I NEVER said he only called out Ottke once. Quote it please, or shut up.

Simple points don't seem to get into your head do they...
Calzaghe called out Hopkins in "numerous unavoidable ways" Interviews on TV (In Britain, I suppose) Major publications (In Britain, I presume) and open letters to his promoter!!! Wow! He really went for Hopkins then... How about fight somebody in America - where Hopkins was - He must not have thought of that one. How about go to his fights, ringside...

How about anything EXCEPT sit in Britain fighting Tocker Pudwill and Mger Mkrtchian? atsch Calzaghe has no excuses, he didn't do anything to show he actually wanted any big fights except call people out where they weren't even going to hear it.

 

He never really showed he wanted the fight, and even if the fight was made... he wouldv'e probably pulled out like he did against Glen Johnson.
He's shown me nothing, Calzaghe, to show he ever actually wanted to fight great fighters when they were at the top.

 

Oh bollocks. They not got the internet in Germany? All over fightnews and sites like this? Have you been living under a rock you cretin?

You bring names like Pudwill. I suppose we should castigate Hopkins for fighting Daniels and Hakkar then.

Eubank for the several questionable fights he took such the bouts against Ray Close.

And as for Hopkins FOR THE LOVE OF ****ING GOD THEY AGREED TO ****ING FIGHT HIM IN THE STATES! THE MATCH WAS MADE JOE SIGNED HOPKINS DOUBLED HIS DEMANDS AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE AND THEN PULLED OUT! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT JOE TO DO TO GET THE FIGHT?

Sorry about the caps to any readers of these posts, but this guy is such a spanner you need to make certain aspects stand out so his little mind comprehends what your saying.

 

:rofl :rofl atsch :nut

Now your resorting to speculation to try to prove your points. Pulled out against Johnson fair enough. Sure as hell didn't pull out against the much hyped undefeated up and comers fellow World Champions Kessler and Lacy. Lets see if he pulls out against Hops shall we.

But ahhh I forgot your a revisionist hater that has a one track view in regards to this matter.

In the end however, if and when Calzaghe beats Hopkins on Saturday he will gain recognition as a two weight World Champion.

He will go down in history as the greatest SMW achievement wise of all time and top 3 head to head.

He will gain recognition from true boxing fans and analysts in the long run.

And thats all that matters to me.

 

I remember it very differently than you do... Warren offered, or was part of a 3-fight deal, which totalled 3 million. 1 of those fights was Calzaghe, Warren reported that a deal had been done for that. Within 2-3 days Hopkins had said the deal didn't match what he wanted. THAT IS NOT "THE VERY LAST MINUTE" - that is before any fights have been announced or anything like it. It's the opposite of "the very last minute"...
Warren, particulary at the time, had a habit of announcing fights before they were fights. So that holds no water as far as I'm concerned and anyone who was aware of boxing at the time, knew it was most likely a lot of sh*t going on.

 

He wouldn't pull out against young, unproven, never-beaten-anyone guys. This is Joe Calzaghe - if you've proven nothing - he'll fight it.

Will he beat a 43 year old man, with 2 losses in his last 4?
I f*cking hope he does, for his sake. Otherwise it'll be a really pathetic career record.

 

I value Jay Larkins opinion over yours mate and his quotes in regards to the proposed Calzaghe-Hopkins fight have been posted many many times on this forum :yep

Very last minute in terms of negotiations im not talking some Danny Williams-Matt Skelton ****. No matter how you try to spin it mate the point still stands and it contradcits yours: Calzaghe DID make a big effort to fight an elite and some would say all time great fighter in 2002. No matter what angle you've attacked it from and you've tried it all even flirting with criticising Joe for trying to make a fight with Hopkins on the basis that he was a middleweight :rofl

You've tried to assert that Calzaghe's calling out of Ottke was adequate enough on the basis that the published quotes had limited scope. Bull**** in the internet age and open letters to his promoters are pretty darn direct as well. Thats not even factoring in the numerous interviews in which he said he wanted Ottke.

And yet you say he didn't try and get these fights on the basis that he didn't turn up to heckle Ottke, Michael Gomez or Herbie Hide style :nut He maybe could have did that to embarrass Ottke but that approach didn't work for those two fellows.

This was after you nonsensically stated that Calzaghe should have fought in Germany against a contender to get Ottkes attention :rofl Exactly what fans would turn up for that fight? Its crazy no matter which way you look at it!

Your arguments fall flat on their face mate. You continually contradict yourself and when your called out on it you will try some new angle to try and save some face.

Your speculation over Joe pulling out against Hopkins in 2002 was an argument made out of pure desperation :rofl

 

They're known in the trade as 'Larry's'.*






* as in Holmes.

 

Ahhhh look at him spin. Spin, spin, spin.

Your probably the type that picked Lacy to tear Calzaghes head off after watching the twin destructions of Reid and Pemberton. Or his victory over Vanderpool. You were probably rubbing your hands with glee at the prospect of JC getting koed old stay at home Joe.

You won't remember though because the dreaded Lacy amnesia has struck once again!

Kessler. Yes a unfied WBC and WBA champion is an unproven quantity. I suppose David Haye as well then. I mean who has Enzo Maccarinelli really beaten? He won a vacant title and only ever really beat Braithwaite(past his best). Mormeck? Please. The crude Bell stopped him far before Haye got to him. Who the **** is David Haye? Who has he beat? NO ONE! That bum never tried to fight Cunningham! Coward!

All utter tosh of course, and it just proves that you can spin anything if you really try. But you seem to believe Kessler is an unproven quantity at the weight despite the fact he has beaten solid competition at the weight such as Mundine, Beyer, Lucas and Andrade. Despite the fact he hardly lost a round in his career. Yes totally unproven

The fact is, had Calzaghe moved up to LHW an idiot like you would have probably asserted that he was fleeing the division just as two dangerous contenders, actually willing to fight unlike a certain Das Phantom, were starting to emerge. You would say he only beat Johnson, a man with more than a few losses on his record. You would say he was only moving up after the demise of Jones(oh **** I just gave him ammuntion AHHH). You would pretty much go against Joe no matter what he did just to suit your agenda.

From what I gather, the only fight that would have satisfied you in regards to Joe Calzaghe was a fight with Roy Jones Junior. Which is pretty lame to say the least.

 

You talk so much nonsense I don't even know why I'm bothering answering these posts...

Are you telling me that Calzaghe fighting in Britain against no great fighters for 10 years was all he could possibly do to get a fight Roy Jones - and he's the key fighter, the p4p #1 that Calzaghe could've easily gone after and tried to get a fight with.
He did nothing,

and you trying to change it to Hopkins didn't want to fight Calzaghe :rofl - Calzaghe was nobody, it wasn't on Bernard's shoulders to move up and fight him when bigger names were coming up to him. It's easy to understand if you'd stop talking crap for 2 minutes.