Calzaghe

Read the post.

There are two or 3 points there clearly. Do you find the quantity and quality of my posts too intimidating to try to refute and need them broken into little tiny bits spoon fed to you?

The other guys have went easy on you and tried to reason with you despite your stupid baseless hate. I just decided to expose you for the fraud you are.

I am calling you a boxrec warrior on the same basis that Fluxstuff critcised you - you are launching attacks without a conext that is you aren't explaining or backing up what you say at all.

Unlike my god self and Gaz and Fluxstuff of course.

 

Ill tell you what sleazy, im a nice guy so here it is nice and obvious and highlighted for you.

Go on read it a sentence at a time. Its nicely space and pretty well worded.

Good. Now that we've got past that stage, you might have realised it was a response to your assertion that Joe never built up a profile across the pond and thus couldn't face Jones, because he never fought anyone.

Yet here is a clear example of Joe trying to do exactly that with Hopkins, making numerous concessions.

Do you understand the point im making? Is it quite clear enough?

 

I'm backing up everything I say.
You're rambling on about me being a fraud, what the hell are you talking about?

I'm saying Calzaghe has wasted a career by taking no risks to get the biggest fights he could have got. What is fraudulent about that? :nut

 

Notice Gaz that he ducked your central point - your point being that Reid was far more obliged, having failed in two other world title fights, to make bigger concessions than an unbeaten world champion like Calzaghe was.

 

You say he didn't take the biggest fights.

Was the Hopkins one his fault? You STILL haven't addressed that.

Who else could he have fought? Any proposed RJJ fight is strongly related to that bout happening!

You haven't addressed Ottke either.

You haven't backed up **** and no matter how much you merely state it, I nor anybody else will believe it until you do. :hi:

 

Calm down girls.

It seems the subject of Mr J. Calzaghe's career has you all in a twist!

Makes a change from the tedious Hatton/Witter ramblings of a certain few on here. Guys with BHop & Castillo in their avatars perhaps?

 

I'd leave it there mate you can't reason with stupidity, this Sleaze fella has obviously got a problem with Calzaghe's persona.

 

OK, this much is true.

It's Calzaghe (and Warren's) fault that Hopkins had the same problem Roy had, why move up a weight to fight a guy who had no name and less money than he'd get from fighting smaller guys with less danger to him winning.
As I remember Warren's deal for Hopkins was a 3 fight one, and Hopkins was getting 1 million for the Calzaghe fight. But as with all FW contracts, especially at that time, were filled with bullsh*t and side deals.
But Hopkins turning it down was Joe's fault for being a nobody outside of this country. That's the problem with every fight that he's never had.

 

Nice to see a nice concession there your beginning to learn.

Calzaghe tried to make the Hopkins fight. He was taken the lesser share of the purse and was willing to travel. Hopkins ACCEPTED the terms offered, had a good think about thought '****, why bother fighting this guy for a measly 3 million when I can fight a much easier fight against DLH for 10 if I just wait a little' he then pulled out.

I don't blame Hopkins, but to say that Calzaghe never tried to make big fights is horse ****. Had he won a proposed Hopkins fight, he may have brought enough to the table to get Roy interested.

 

Hopkins didn't want to fight because Calzaghe was nobody. Don't you understand that?

IF Hopkins fought Calzaghe, Roy wouldv'e... you miss the point that Calzaghe done nothing to get either fight.

 

Tell me what he could have done then to get the fight considering the fact that his fellow champion Ottke refused to acknowledge his existence?

DM is the one that puzzles me. It is a fight that have made sense for both men and has never been mentioned. Ive held both to task over that especially considering the rule that if a reigning WBO champ moves up then the automatically gets a title shot.

Who else could he have fought at SMW? It was pass the parcel at that time with the WBC title you could hardly draw breath without someone losing it. Would a victory over Beyer or Catley did much? Nope.

DM is the one that sticks out in my mind and they are both at fault there.

Another useful little point. Calzaghe was supposed to move up to face Johnson for the IBF LHW title. He was CRITICISED relentlessly on this board for proposing to move up to that division with the assertion being that was ducking the two up and comers, Lacy and Kessler.

The rest as they say is history with that fight failling through and JC staying and beating both sealing his dominance at the weight.

Calzaghe

 

Tell me what he could have done then to get the fight considering the fact that his fellow champion Ottke refused to acknowledge his existence?

DM is the one that puzzles me. It is a fight that have made sense for both men and has never been mentioned. Ive held both to task over that especially considering the rule that if a reigning WBO champ moves up then the automatically gets a title shot.

Who else could he have fought at SMW? It was pass the parcel at that time with the WBC title you could hardly draw breath without someone losing it. Would a victory over Beyer or Catley did much? Nope.

DM is the one that sticks out in my mind and they are both at fault there.

Another useful little point. Calzaghe was supposed to move up to face Johnson for the IBF LHW title. He was CRITICISED relentlessly on this board for proposing to move up to that division with the assertion being that was ducking the two up and comers, Lacy and Kessler.

The rest as they say is history with that fight failling through and JC staying and beating both sealing his dominance at the weight.

Calzaghe has taken risks and attempted to make big fights in his career. That he could only fight Hopkins now is NOT his fault no matter how you try to spin it.

Sorry double post.

 

Ottke couldn't ignore him if he fought in Germany, prove to the whole country, the tv and Ottke that you're serious about a fight.
It's easy.

 

Right so Calzaghe should just go over to corruption ridden Germany to fight and plead for Ottkes attention?

The same Ottke who got at least 3 or 4 questionable decisions on his turf.

The same Ottke who pretty much screwed Reid with the most biased ref ive ever seen.

Calzaghe should fight a major fight in the same place that Beyer somehow managed to escape with his WBC title after being rattled all over the place by Green?

Before you say it I know that some fights have come off without incident in Germany and judged fairly. But it is totally understandable for a foreign opponent to be leery of fighting there particularly Ottke.

Jones didn't want to fight DM there for similar reasons - don't see you holding Jones to task over that.

Your argument is so lopsided it isn't true. Ottke was obliged imo to make some concessions too if this fight were to come off.

As it was he was happy pretending not to know who Calzaghe was. And yet even then you still try and twist such things to suit your argument against Calzaghe.

 

Tell me about it, it'd take a brave man to go over there and risk an unbeaten record. Not Calzaghe then.

Make you're mind up, either he wanted to fight Ottke, or he was afraid of fighting Ottke. I'm not confused about it. He did nothing to force a fight, end of story.