Calzaghe

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thanks. I don't even like talking about Joe anymore. Unlike some of the obsessed hater loons on here I moved on ages ago and I only allow myself to be reluctantly dragged back into the fray very occasionally.

    Even though I'm very knowledgeable about some other eras and especially that one back then due to being an absolute hardcore fanatic who used to watch boxing religiously and read every boxing mag on the market from cover to cover, believe it or not, as weird as this may sound, I'd actually rather spend my time watching, discussing and debating the current scene as opposed to being stuck in a 90's and 2000's time loop repeating myself ad infinitum debating and arguing the same old worn-out subjects which have already been debated to death a million times over back then, let alone almost 12 years after Joe hung up his gloves :lol:
     
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  2. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Himself and Mayweather are among the most cerebral fighters I've ever seen in the ring. Their ability to switch it up round by round is spectacular, almost unheard of. Those kind of people only come a few times a generation if we're lucky.
     
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  3. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    That didn't make any sense to me pal lol.

    I was speaking in generalities.
    I didn't say "they were Ottke leftovers.".
    I said he fought a lot of Ottke leftovers.

    Listen I don't have strong feelings about any of the fighters we've mentioned, B-Hop Calzaghe and Ottke, I'm just being objective.

    There are fair criticisms of Calzaghes career, that some people can't let go of.

    Just to be clear I had Calzaghe winning against B-Hop.
    Some people didn't, including one of the judges.
     
  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It's blocked in the UK for some strange reason and it's only been blocked recently despite the fact it was uploaded over 12 years ago :lol:
     
  5. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well you see Ottke fought the same number or more of Calzaghe's leftovers than vice versa. He also outperformed him head to head against these opponents.
     
  6. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    Listen mate.

    I think Calzaghe would've beaten Ottke handily.

    It's not about picking favourites.



    There are criticisms of Calzaghes career that can't be fixed by you professing how great he was.
     
  7. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think he's great as much as I think Ottke was ****, man has 11 robberies in his 34 fight career. When a third of your career isn't even properly earned you deserve no credit for it. To use that plonker as a supposedly valid criticism of Calzaghe's career is a joke. He beat way better men way better than that chump.
     
  8. AwardedSteak863

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    I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Have a good day.
     
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  9. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    You too pal.
     
  10. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    I don't think you're looking at it objectively.

    Floyd still gets **** for "ducking" Margarito, a guy who had been beaten by some of Floyds opponents. Some people say he wasn't the best (in modern times.) at super welterweight because of it.
    That is a way less valid criticism than Calzaghe not facing Ottke, and people still use it.

    You can't be the best if you don't beat the best.
    Ottke was not the best, but he was an undefeated champion.

    If you think it's okay for two undefeated champions in the same weight at the same time not to fight each other, then I don't think there is much common ground we can find here.
     
  11. ShovelHook

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    I don't think it's Calzaghe's fault it didn't happen, it's very unlikely that that would have been the case seeing as Calzaghe had faced more current or former world champs. Plus he unified twice with undefeated champions. Ottke never did, put two and two together as to why a fight didn't materialise. Either the money was ****, the officials were **** or the contractual stipulations were **** because Calzaghe was not going to be screwed over like almost all of Ottke's opponents who were any good. Stop making excuses for that piece of **** who literally retired to avoid losing his 0 which was inevitable if he had to challenge anywhere outside of Germany. At that point he had struggled badly in four of his last five fights and knew he was done.
     
  12. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    Did you even read the post?
    No excuses, I'm not an Ottke fan, your off your head pal.

    Calzaghe could've fought him in Germany, not saying that's fair, but he could've.
    It takes two to tango.
     
  13. ShovelHook

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    I don't think you get it. Calzaghe wasn't stupid enough to willingly undersell himself to Ottke who was going to rob him beyond a shadow of a doubt in Germany. They're the absolute worst for judging bias and we all know it. It's never worth fighting a German fighter in Germany if you want to maintain your legacy and not have such a huge risk of getting robbed. He was the king of German robberies too, his reputation will never leave him justly, wish he never got a unification fight as he only went on to rob Byron Mitchell's title, who actually lost to Joe Calzaghe the fight after.
     
  14. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    Wasn't brave enough.

    Greats fight the best in their backyard.
     
  15. Serge

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    Joe Calzaghe's promoter Frank Warren has offered Sven Ottke $1m to take a super-middleweight unification fight with the Welshman.

    "Here is a serious offer to Ottke to face Calzaghe," said Warren, "I'm looking for the fight to take place in Cardiff but Joe is more than happy to face Ottke in Germany, his own backyard."

    Warren was engaged in a war of words with Ottke's promoter Wilfried Sauerland earlier this year, with each man accusing the other of not being serious about matching up the world's two leading 168lb fighters.

    Calzaghe holds the WBO version of the world crown, while Ottke holds both the WBA and IBF versions.

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    "Ottke may hold two versions of the world title but Joe is recognised by the media and public as the best," said Warren.

    The move represents a shift in focus for Calzaghe as he continues to seek his career-defining fight.

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    After June's thrilling two-round stoppage of Byron Mitchell, Calzaghe had been confident of finally landing a bout with undisputed middleweight champ Bernard 'the Executioner' Hopkins.

    Hopkins now looks set to go ahead with a fight against William Joppy, possibly on 6 December, and Calzaghe would have to wait until well into next year to get at the winner of that bout.

    The Welshman sees Ottke as another stepping stone to recognition in America and the big-money bouts that would follow there.

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    "Ottke's got to face me sooner or later," said Calzaghe, "I really want the fight, and Frank is doing everything he can to get it on, but Ottke's promoters are reluctant to take it.

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    "They are not confident of their man's chances against me but Ottke may as well take the fight now and get well paid as he will not get this payday anywhere else after he is beaten by me.

    "I will fight him anywhere anytime and I would be more than happy to go to Germany and knock him out cold in front of his home fans.

    "This fight would be no 12-round bore with Ottke running like a thief trying to win by nicking the rounds.

    "I would take the fight straight to him and he would not be able to handle the power."

    A potential bout would depend on Ottke defeating Denmark's Mads Larsen in their meeting in Erfurt on 6 September.
     
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