Calzaghe

there's nothing similar in styles between calzaghe and malignaggi,its a dumb comparison,malignaggi fights off the back foot constantly moving away from danger using his jab,joe moves into danger behind a jab and opens his body up very well,yes he does leave his chin exposed but he clearly has decent power not for someone to go right,**** it,i aint getting hurt let's knock this ****er out.

 

Oh I see, you're one of those guys that doesn't like to deal in fact.

Joe landed twice the amount of punches that Bernard landed, yet we're supposed to believe that Joe got mashed up when he had no bruising nor swelling on his face? Just a little nick on his nose that looked like some kind of shaving accident?

I deal in reality, pal - not fantasy. It seems you miss this.

Kessler - noted as one of the most accurate and impressive punchers in the game, a guy who is currently being rated ahead of Pavlik by many of the people in this forum.

Lacy, noted as the most powerful guy at 168 - hasn't done **** since being beaten by Calzaghe but hindsight is 20/20, no?

Eubank was Top 10 P4P or close to it, was he not?

Calzaghe himself is Top 3 P4P, will Malignaggi ever make it there? I highly doubt it.

How about you pay some respect for one of the few guys (if only active guy) who can say he's held every single belt in a single division, IBF, WBO, WBC, WBA and RING - without EVER losing.

Oh that's right, you can't show any respect, because you're too busy living in a fantasy that states Joe Calzaghe can't fight for **** and all of his achievements have a byword to be added to them.

Stick a fork in you, you're done.

 

NOBODY in the US was impressed with Calzaghes win over Bernard. He showed all of his weaknesses more then he showed us his strengths.

 

Guy, you need to get a grip and quit the totally over the top fanboy stuff (the stuff Warren has bred into you), this thread is a debate about Calzaghes punching power not his boxing ability.

 

Nobody at all was impressed in the US huh? That's funny, cause Ring Magazine put him in their Top 3 P4P list, last time I checked, they were in the US?

Not to mention Roy Jones Jr putting Calzaghe at the top of his "I want to fight list" and Pavlik, another US guy wanting to fight Calzaghe, "Because I want to face the best and test myself"

Oh yes, not to mention Manny Steward, Max Kellerman and Sugar Ray Leonard all rating Calzaghe one of the very best they've ever seen, Sugar Ray going as far as to say that Joe could have fought and won in his era and is a superb talent.

Yes, No one in the USA was impressed by Joe Calzaghe at all.

Least of all me, a proud New Yorker.

 

I don't remember myself, or anyone else I know being included in that poll. atsch

 

You ask questions, you receive answers, you try and dispute you ever asked the questions and sway the thread when the facts get too rough for you?

Stating above, that Bernard Hopkins got out landed two to one and obviously didn't feel comfortable coming forward and walking through Calzaghe would be a bit of an inclination that Calzaghe has power, no?

Warren? Warren is a big fat useless ****er who has stopped many a good fight in his year, I'm a New Yorker you idiotic, naive little child. My liking of Calzaghe has nothing to do with Warren and in actual fact, I want Kelly Pavlik to fight and beat him, but I have enough knowledge of boxing to know how unlikely this is.

Like I said, you're done.

 

I've never stated that he doesn't have any power at all. He must have some power to keep someone off him. I also think he throws such a high volume of punches that he makes people back off. Thats my opinon anyway.

He must have some power otherwise people would walk straight through him; but he comands the ring more through volume of punches.

 

And yet he has one of the highest stoppage percentages of anyone with more than 10 title fights, let alone 20 title fights.

"Oh but they were all TKO and accumulation"

You think boxers would go on THAT much of a defensive if they weren't being hurt?

 

The above poster is right. The Mitchell fight was hugely exciting and Calzaghe showed a great chin and great speed. He did not however show enormous punching power. He knocked Mitchell out by whacking him in the head, flush, a couple of dozen times. If Calzaghe had serious, top level, power he'd have knocked him out a lot quicker.

Calzaghe used to have decent power. The kind that let him knock out solid fighters through accumulated punches. He never had the kind of power that made you think he was likely to decapitate someone. His fans can rightly use the Mitchell fight as an example of lots of the things he can do exceptionally well. But his critics can point to it as evidence that he was always prone to getting caught flush occasionally and that he never had top drawer power.

I'm not sure why this is considered such a big deal. He had enough power to let the other elements of his game shine - stamina, speed, combination punching, chin. He had enough power to knock a guy out with a build up of punches. Even though his power seems to have diminished over the years, he still has enough power to hold a guy off him while he lets his work rate and hand speed rack up the rounds. I don't know why this statement of the obvious is considered such a slur by some of his fans. No fighter excells at every part of the game. Calzaghe's power was decent. But it isn't as if his claims to greatness rest on his power, is it?

 

I don't know if you can use Hopkins as representative of anything. I stated before the fight that by 43 your body just doesn't like to 'hurt'. You really just can't force it to those levels anymore. During the fight Hopkins looked like a guy just trying not to get hurt.

 

Did you watch the Hopkins fight what did you honestly see? Did you see Calzaghe landing twice as many punches as Hopkins and hurting him?

If you go by your argument, and assume the compu stats to be true, the fact that Joe out landed Hopkins by 2 to 1 but never even moved the guy once is testament enough about Joes power. I rest my case, in your very own argument, thanks for that.

 

I agree.

One thing I'd note about one-stop-shop power punchers is that they usually have a technique that allows them to generate such great power.

i.e their power shots are usually big swinging haymaker type deliveries, very few fights mastered the act of compact power punching in the case of say a Roy Jones Jr left hook or a Lennox Lewis overhand right.

Calzaghe's style is to move, change up his angles and land in combinations. He's not really a wind up and throw one big shot puncher, if he has, he'd be defeated long before now.

 

I saw Hopkins land perhaps three meaningful shots that were more meaningful than any single punch that Joe landed.

But yes, I saw Joe land two times as many shots on Hopkins, including a number of jaw crunching shots that obviously backed Hopkins up. I also saw Hopkins constantly back away from Calzaghe and I saw Hopkins less willing to throw punches as the fight wore on, having been tagged more and more.

Anyone who didn't have that as a 115-112 fight is not a guy who I would want judging a boxing fight.

If by "never moved Hopkins" you mean never managed to knock Hopkins from doing anything from back pedalling to keep the distance away from Calzaghe, kudos, you're right.

You still however don't deal in fact and you still read like an annoying guy who can't handle that a boxer you don't personally like is in fact, quite good.

 

Ask your pal in the avatar if Joe threw punches that didn't land. Especially in say, I dunno, the body?