Calzaghe's legacy is already fading........

Hopkins got knocked down more than once in his career.
Alots made about the knockdown Calzaghe suffered against Hopkins, but lets not pretend he was hurt, he was standing square on & got caught by a shot, but it was Calzaghe who pressed the action straight away.
Alots made of Hopkins age, with people saying a younger Hopkins could beat Calzaghe, but which younger version? The one who lost his debut? The one who lost a lacklustre match with Jones, the one who got knocked down twice and only got a draw on his 2nd world title attempt, or the one who lost twice to J Taylor? Cause none of those guys are as good as Calzaghe, and we know Hopkins dosent have a stamina problem due to the Pavlik bout.

 

can anyone explain how schooling the middleweight king (Pavlik) is diffrent than schooling the lightweight king (Marquez)?

 

Jeff Lacy beat Reid, Pemberton, Sheika and Vanderpool. All of those fighters are on the same level as Edison Miranda.

Take a look at Jermain Taylor and tell me what people would think of his career and his fighting ability if not for the two decisions against B-Hop.

Now remember Jermain very nearly knocked Pavlik out in their first fight.

Fact is, Lacy WAS on par with Pavlik - the problem is, Lacy got absolutely dominated and shitcanned in a fight which drained his confidence.

Lets see how Pavlik looks after he got shitcanned by Hopkins.

 

:good:good:good Well put!! The guy who wrote the above is obviously an intellectual pygmy who's delusions and mis-interpretations of the facts are becoming dangerous! I have replied to his "Ravings" and I await his nonsensical reply with a sense that it is gong to leave me seriously underwhelmed!!

 

thanks for the compliments

 

i think everyone was going to jump on joe as soon as they could regardless:-(

 

Wait......... Hopkins lost to Jones way back when. Are you actually saying that Calzaghe is better than a young Roy Jones? Not Roy Jones of last year, or 2 or even 5 years...... but a young prime RJJ?

 

people are going to say Hopkins ruined pavlik... but of course it cant be the same with Calzaghe and lacy lol:good

 

Lacy got ruined by two things in my view.

A: He got absolutely annihilated by a guy he had no chance of beating and the fight wasn't called off soon enough, this meant he took unneeded punishment.

B: In his very next fight, which he started out very impressively, he tore apart his rotator cuff, damaging his confidence even more because he had to eek out a tough victory while being damaged.

In terms of Pavlik, I just laugh, we judge Calzaghe so harshly because we perceive he didn't defeat enough great fighters, yet Pavlik gets all this credit, mostly because we as Americans back our own boys - but ultimately, Taylor is the only name on Pavlik's card and the only reason Taylor is a name is owing to an absolutely lazy Hopkins who did JUST enough to win but didn't count on the judges awarding busy over style.

 

:good

 

I agree with you, and I am a Pavlik fan. His resume is not good. Maybe in time. But aside from the extreme nutjobs on here, you don't hear anyone saying he is an ATG or better than a prime Roy Jones Jr. Therein lies the difference. Pavlik fans may have an overinflated opinion of his abilities NOW, but they aren't trying to compare him to or trump him up as an ATG based on underwhelming wins vs well past it fighters and second rate competition.

 

Whats Hopkins being Knockdown got to do with all of this?

and when did Prime Hopkins vs Prime Calzaghe get into this thread?

the topic there was about should Calzaghe had fought Pavlik instead of RJJ, he could have solidify his resume thus make his legacy far greater.

But at that time Pavlik did seem risky, and you can watch Pavlik vs Hopkins countdown and see what the world said about Pavlik at that time and you will see they made it look like he was unbeatable. And RJJ at that time was known to be shot.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60062&

and the point made was, taking the RJJ fight instead of Pavlik made sense for Calzaghe, even tho both fights would have made money, Lower risk, but Pavlik would have been higher reward for his legacy

thts what people were saying about Pavlik pre hopkins in regards to a possible fight between calzaghe pavlik

 

Thing is, I think Calzaghe in 1999-2004 is the toughest challenge RJJ could have had.

I expect RJJ to have won but I think you're combining a southpaw fighter, with great handspeed, excellent fundamentals, a cast iron jaw and at that stage (especially prior to 2003), a heavy hitter.

It's a great fight to try and think about, because you know Calzaghe had the tools to hit Jones Jr, it comes down to whether Jones Jr's chin is as bad as it's looked since he started to gt hit.

I rate Calzaghe highly, because he never lost and despite the **** about his career, he fought solid guys. If you want to scrutinise anyone, you can, it's not hard to point to Bernard Hopkins in 1994 and say he wasn't even half the fighter he was in 2004, or James Toney being too fat and drained for the weight when he fought Roy, etcetera.

Calzaghe is probably the most discussed fighter here, why? Because people feel short changed that they didn't see him in 1999-2004 fighting guys who wouldn't dare fight him (Ottke, Beyer, Jones Jr, Hopkins)

 

This ^^^^^


BTW not another ****ing Joe bashing thread....atsch

 

Being knocked down means absolute **** if you get back up and win the fight. Being knocked down in every fight and still getting up to win means you've got a solid heart, but, need to get out of the sport.

Calzaghe was starting to get knocked down, he knew it was time to go, that just makes him smart.

In regards to Pavlik, I think had he beat Hopkins, Calzaghe was going to face him - Calzaghe even said as much that negotiating to fight Hopkins was a mistake and that he couldn't fight Pavlik after that loss.

Pavlik, doesn't have the tools or skillset to hang with slick fighters who move as well as Calzaghe does, it wouldn't have been pretty to watch.