Calzaghe's Old School Training

I know you are trying to say it doesnt improve boxing skills,but you are promoting the idea that it can be improve/benefit a boxer in some way arent you? Otherwise why post at all on this topic?
I know many think that by improving strength they will make the boxer more able to generate power and speed when they combine the weights with their normal boxing workout,or that it will benefit them in the clinch,but where is the evidence for this,anyone?
What strength and conditioning coaches need to realise is that boxing is a very specific and unusual sport that doesnt translate well in terms of weight training.....Heck most anatomists and weight coaches do not really know much about boxing or what it takes to punch hard and fast....You can develop any trainee in theory to have the 'perfect' weights program developed by mackie,ross and justin and it still dont mean they will be able to punch fast or hard.......

 

For the 5th time, weight training can potentially increase strength, speed and stamina allowing you to punch harder to a degree and maintain a high pace for a long period of time. Nobody needs examples, this is what happens to the body as it adapts.

You keep on going on about bodyweight training, all weight training is is bodyweight with added weight, how can that possibly be bad?

 

that is misleading strength training does nothing for stamina.

 

You ever done circuit training? Check out some of the Crossfit workouts, theres no way you could deny they build stamina.

 

Listen,i know the theory,but give me a working example hey? Or can we just make statements withour proof now?
And i will tell you what can be bad about weights/resistance training,it can slow you down,overdevelop certain muscles,drop your stamina,make you gain weight,etc...... And i dont keep on going on about bodyweight training,i stated that some calisthenics can also lead to undesirable effects,it all depends on the effects that the certain exercise has on a certain persons body....Weights/resistance may be good for developing a youngster,or to bring up lagging bodyparts/weaknesses,but this thing about it potentially imroving,power,stamina etc is spurious at the top level and has no basis in real life.....Boxing is not grid iron,sprinting or wrestling......

 

The things you've listed for the 3rd time I'll give the same reply for the 3rd time; that's all down to not knowing what you're doing. Of course you'll get bigger if you lift heavy weights and eat more, but why would a boxer do that? Think about it...

Proof of my theory, what that picking up weights makes you stronger? Go to a gym, watch a power lifting competition, stongman events.

Like I've said over and over, weights can potentially make you stronger, faster and have more endurance I've never said anything about making you a better boxer. I think you don't even know what you're trying to argue.

 

Listen,nobody denies that weights will make you stronger at,guess what,lifting weights.....But that 'strength' does not always translate into potential for increasing speed,stamina and power or even clinch strength on the boxing front as boxing is not dependent on the kind of strength gained from lifting weights.....
I will give you an example hey, being good/excellent at lat pulldowns does not necessarily mean you will be good/excellent at chin ups.....Any knowledgable trainer will know this as the movements though very similiar are not really engaging the same factors....Same with boxing,you can stimulate the muscles you think will benefit a boxer by weights,but sometimes that wont make the boxer any faster,more powerful or increase his stamina.....
The bottom line is it depends on what EFFECTS the weights have on a given boxer,if the effects carry over then yes that particular boxer may benefit from weights,but there are many that do not benefit and in fact slow themselves down......
ps; you think that the guy with the better bench will be better in the clinch? Well holy bulled tyson in the clinches and they prob bench the same,lewis was stronger than tyson yet tyson benches more than him....Mosley allegedly benches 350 but was he stronger than winky who probably cant bench 220? There are many examples like this in boxing where prowess in the weights room meant nothing in the ring....

 

So you are saying if a boxer started doing squats and improved his lift from 100lbs to 300lbs that would have absolutly no affect on his punching power? BS. The carry over may not be huge, I'm not saying that he'll go from barely moving a 100lbs heavy bag to knocking it across the room, but there will be an increase in punching power, you cannot argue that. You seem to think there will be this huge noticeable difference, which is wrong.

 

If a boxer went from a 100lbs squat to 300 lbs the big lilkelihood is that he would overdevelop his quads,glutes and hams and lose considerable mobility in his lower body...And how in the world would his punch power improve while squatting? This is the kind of ignorance im talking about......Ditto for bench press as well.....

 

A very important difference between weights and bag work is the range of motion and moment of resistance. With weights the acceleration is much less, and the resistance is constant. With a punch the acceleration is high, and the resistance sudden. Bag work is resistance training too, but in a sports specific way.

 

but thats not strength training is it?

 

Clearly you have absolutly no clue. Do you understand how difficult it is to actually build muscle? Overdevelop quads, glutes and hams and lose mobility? Yet again down to bad/incorrect training. Just because you have big muscles does not make you slower.

If you had a clue you'd know a punch begins in the legs and ends at the fist. I think you can work it out from there, but ask if you don't understand.

 

Weight training doesn't have to be strength training.

 

Bigger muscles means more mass. Do you think Sugar Ray Leonard would have been as mobile if he had 20 pounds more muscle? Building muscle isn't difficult at all. Workout, eat and sleep that's all there is to it. I know it's easier for some, and I appear to be in that group like most short and stocky guys. Lifting weights bulks me up in no time.

A punch begins in the legs but that power needs to be transferred to the muscles of the upper body. If your legs are too big, they generate more power than the waist can transfer. This is why bodybuilders (just an example) are **** punchers, their core is complete **** and unable to transfer the power. A chain is as strong as it's weakest link. This applies to your body as well.

 

Who said anything about bigger muscles?