Calzaghe's Old School Training

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by youngmonzon, Nov 4, 2007.


  1. Relentless

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    let me break it down for you, there are different types of strengths...

    strength endurance
    speed strength
    explosive strength
    maximal strength

    strength endurance - strength endurance means to maintain muscular function under work conditions of long duration, an example would be to hit the bag continously for 3 minutes of a round without stopping/tiring.

    speed strength - speed strength means to be able to quickly able to execute an unloaded movement or a movement against a small resistance (such as 10 oz gloves), an example of speed strength would be when a fighter throws a jab wearing a pair of 10 oz gloves the weight of the glove will mean nothing to him, he will throw a fast jab without loading up, he will rely on his speed alone.

    explosive strength - eplosive strength means to produce maximum force in minimum time, an example of that would be a knockout punch, a fighter quickly put enough force into one punch.

    maximal strength - maximal strength is the maximum force a person can exert, it builds the foundation for explosive strength.

    strength endurance and speed strength are worked with boxing workouts, push ups, squats and calisthenics works strength endurance, punching the bag with gloves builds speed strength.

    explosive strength and maximal strength are often neglected, maximal strength is worked with high weights and low reps compound weight lifting, explosive strength can be worked with plyometrics a good 14 sets of 10 reps etc,

    explosive strength can also be trained with dynamic weight training, where you get lighter weights (not light weights) and perform each movement (e.g bench press) as fast and explosively as possible, 5x4 is a good way to train like this, or you can mix it up and look at complex training.
     
  2. RDJ

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    You.

     
  3. enquirer

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    You virus and relentless are pretty rude and presumptious posters,i will give you two that much....
    Rdj has just explained in a nutshell why muscle doesnt mean better boxing punching..................
    And i know you are going to say you can build strength without adding mass,yes you can,but still how does this transfer to boxing punching power improvements? Adding 100lbs to my bench along with no extra mass ( very hard,but maybe possible in theory.) will not necessarily increase my punching power as the movements are not in any way related.......And in fact,even if i didnt add mass/weight,surely the bench muscles would increase somewhat in size,thus causing overdevelopment in front delts and chest,a no no in boxing......
    Or can you increase strength significantly with no extra development in the muscles concerned,eg can you improve the squat from 100 lbs to 300 lbs with no increase in the quads,hams and glutes size/development? (never mind that you think you can do this with no increase in mass from such a large increase in strength!!!) If you can do this then i think you qualify as the world greatest ever weight trainer.......But still,you wont necessarily increase the punch power.....:bbb
    ps; the insults show you guys cant back up what you are saying and have to resort to ad homineum....Forget the wiki and bodybuilding mags,relate your examples to the real world of sports performances,specifically boxing......
     
  4. RDJ

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    edit.

    I'll conclude with: to each his own.

    We're going in circles.
     
  5. viru§™

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    Yet again this would be down to the training. If I were to train a boxer I wouldn't just have him doing squats.
     
  6. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree. I couldn't be bothered to repeat the same things over and over.
     
  7. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Especially when there is no real example beyond 'ross' of there being any world class fighter that improved significantly after using a strength coach......
     
  8. viru§™

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    ****ING HELL. You clearly have problems understanding. I'm saying weights can potentially improve strength, speed and endurance. Why the **** do you keep on going on about how it doesn't make you a better boxer?
     
  9. Relentless

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    whats up with you?

    why are you bringing ross enamait into this? we all know he isn't a boxer he is a coach.

    again you are asking how weight lifting makes you a better boxer....
     
  10. Relentless

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    how does push ups make you a better boxer?
     
  11. Relentless

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    RDJ sort your son out!
     
  12. enquirer

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    Listen mister,give me an example of where this 'potential' was transferred to the real world to improve the boxers speed,endurance or power.....?????
    Or are you just saying weight training can improve your genral strength,stamina and speed,becaue last time i looked this was a boxing forum,and you KEEP saying weight training will benefit a boxer,how by making his muscles look prettier?
    The fact that you are now swearing shows you are losing it buster...
    You two are now moving your positions hey,do weights benefit boxers directly or not? Stop this nonsense about improving speed and such like because you cant give one example of weights making a fighter faster can you?
     
  13. Relentless

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    who's swearing? :nut

    i have given you example in many posts, just read them again, i have also wrote an explenation of each strength types, so stop trolling,
     
  14. enquirer

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    If you had been reading my posts i said that ANY resistance training even good ol pressups can hinder boxing prowess if it overdevelops certain muscles.....You dont even know my clear position on this and yet you are arguing still? My posts are not promoting old school training,i say that whatever works for the individual is fine,but weights dont seem to be panacea that you guys make them out to be,and im sure many boxers would benefit if they cut it out totally,while some may benefit by bringing up a weak bodypart,or if they have the physique that loses little speed and adds little weight through weights.....
    You dont neccessarily need to do any pressups as an advanced boxer.....
    Ps; relentless,you have given no real examples of a world class boxer benefiting from weights,if weights were that good you could have givenn me dozens that improved their PERFORMANCE through weights,and you or others couldnt name one...Virus was swearing,i wish you read properly......
     
  15. viru§™

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    I'm not losing anything, it's the fact I've had to repeat the same things over and over and over to you and you keep on coming up with the same ****. Can weight training help a boxer? Yes. Go check Crossfit.com.