Calzaghe's Old School Training

Virus,you have never even Sparred!!!!!!!!! How can you sit there and type this crap when you dont even know what its like to even box or what kind of conditioning you need to box and punch well......Man,at least some weight lifting defenders have proper boxing experience.....To be honest the replies against the weights guys further enhance the lack of need for weights at the top level......
Weights are good to make a cruiser get to heavy with some functional weigh (as opposed to fat.) but for many fighters (especially the shorter ones.) they slow you down and decrease stamina. (unless used with steroids.) Shane mosleys' father was quoted the week before the cotto fight in boxing news as saying that now shane has stopped the weights his speed is returning to what it once was....
Even these guys like mackie shilstone and co never improved any fighters speed,power or stamina,they just built them more size/weight/muscle to compete at higher divisions....Jones got slower and had less punch output at heavy,as did spinks,and both worked with mackie.....
Bobby,can you show me any examples of champs improving punch power,punch speed or stamina after weights?
Calisthenics can be superior to weights as they use only bodyweight and can work the core,which can help with body stability in weaker fighters....To be honest calisthenics are not absolutely required either,resistance exercises are best for developing young or weak boxers,or for those rare few who have the body structure to benefit from weights/resistance without slowing down and getting bulky.....
I think folks need to know that the number one principle of science is PROVING theories with real life examples,quoting wikipedia or some obscure link is useless without empirical results,otherwise i will claim i can theoretically bench 400 pounds at 140 bodyweight and then when folks ask for evidence i will say it is possible in theory and only I know i can.....
The mechanics/muscle/coordination needed to punch well are not the same as those needed to lift weights....you get better at punching by punching,having the right genetics and having the right physical mechanics/technique...
Good day.....

 

No point mate, I've been arguing this since the second page, they won't listen :-(

 

ok i didnt read every post, i agree the bulk of training should be boxing specific, but if you run to get fitter, and do sit ups to get stronger abs etc.. why not do some weights for explosinve power or speed training, anyways each to their own i always keep an open mind to anything new and try it in my own training to see if it has any merit

 

what a thread!!!!!!!!

I didn't read everything, but all i know:
Weightlifting ain't working for me!!

in the past I used to spend 1 training per week on weightlifting ( excirses like: benchpress, pec deck, squat, horizontal row, biceps cruls, triceps extention etc.), it felt okee. But i noticed that it really asked a lot of my body to do this training and in boxing training i would get tired real quick.
It takes a longer time to recover form weightlifting, is my experience.

Now I don't do any weightlifting, I just do some push-ups,sit-ups and pull-ups every week and I feel better. I like my speed and my power.

do with this reaction what you what, but weights ain't working for me!!

 

des, push ups ,chin ups dips etc are all weight training, body weight training is sometimes harder than using machines, chin ups are much harder and more effective than lat pulldown machine
remember, weight training is not just one thing with one goal, if you train properly it will help, athletes should do explosive full body exercises like the clean and press. leave the isolation exercises and high reps to the bodybuilders

 

Thanks for your reaction, bobby.

But it seems that the bodyweight excerises work much better for me then machines or dumbells.

And i don't focus on the weighttraining, including the bodyweight training, as much as I used too.

 

yes, but only to a certain degree, making some exercises pointless for some types of people, hence how weights work for some and not others.

virus, is it true you have never even sparred? What is your boxing experience? If what enquirer said is true....I don't know any better way to phrase this but.....shut the **** up. If what he said wasn't true - that is, if you have substantial experience and have benefitted from weights in the ring - then your opinions are valid.

 

:good

 

des, bodyweigth trainig is great if done properly, and remember guys, you will only add muscle if you eat a certain amount and train a certain way

 

As I've said over and over, weights will benefit anyone if adapted correctly. To be honest your opinion means **** all, you don't even know how weight training help with conditioning...

And as I've said many times before - you don't want to use weights? Then don't, it's pretty simple.

 

Weight lifting is an anaerobic activity like boxing. You're suppose to fail below 15 reps. I could argue the same way as how running improves boxing. I'm not running straight ahead when I'm sparring, I move side to side and backwards too. Push ups and Pull ups work the same muscle groups as a chest press and pull downs. For some who aren't in great shape they might not even be able to do sets with push ups. While you're sprinting you're doing an anaerobic activity which has more in common to boxing than long distant running. Although cardio (which has a person working at a higher heartbeat than aerobic) is important. The problem with some who lift weights is that they begin to neglect other areas of conditioning like cardio and boxing drills. Just because a person slows down may not be an effect of weight lifting. But rather from getting older and bigger. It's hard to carry excess mass around when it affects you mobility and flexibility. You don't expect a heavyweight to be as fast as a lightweight right? Some have voiced the concern of over training so if you lift with enough time in between sessions for your body to repair you'll be fine. The mentality of it worked for them so it must be right is a bit off. If it works for you that's cool. But remember Jack Dempsey also rubbed orange peels on his face because he believed it helped create a tougher chin.

 

First of all, answer my original question: what is your personal boxing experience, specifically in regards to the benefits of weights in the ring?

my opinion means what? didn't understand what you said.

Why would you use weight lifting as ****ing conditioning.....this is what is annoying - people moving away from fundamental methods that work. You want conditioning? run, spar, jump rope.

ps - don't forget to answer the original question this time

 

i uses complexes, which is like a series of full body exercises with moderate weight when training athletes, they have to do everything explosively, they and i agree no running,sakipping etc comes close to leaving your whole body so knackered and at the same time helping your fast twitch fibers.

 

That's quite a low punch output.

Agree with the rest.

 

Failure under 15 reps were meant about lifting weights. Some people believe if you do more reps at a lower rep it's beneficial to getting "cut". Such as curling 5lbs a hundred times. RDJ, I always thought of you as a very respectable member so I'm glad you agree!