Calzaghe's Old School Training

Some great posts here by rdj, enquirer, young monzon, I think the issue has been settled since the pro-weightlifting side couldn't come back with any examples of fighters improving with weights, they had to bring up a guys name who isn't even a boxer to try and back up their point.

And to the guy talking about Kostya tszyu, when he was an amateur he was alot faster and fluid, when he turned pro and used weights he stiffened up, slowed down, acquired injuries and had a relatively short career, maybe those things would've happened anyway but i don't think he was a good example.

 

In 1969 almost nobody in boxing was pumping iron. By 1981 at least 50 of boxers were into weight lifting. These days it is almost 100%. Since the 1960's all I have seen is a deterioration in boxing skills, fitness and performance. If boxers today took their training as seriously as you take your skipping, boxing would be a very different sport.

 

Sometimes I fart when I sneeze. In fact, I try to do this at least ten times a day. I think of it as the ultimate core workout, working every muscle from my nose to my anus at once. All in all I feel it will make me a better boxer.

 

:rofl :rofl

 

I got owned. Virus, Gregsid, and RDJ have given a lot of valid points, if you won't believe those guys, there's no chance of me and my podgy ol' ass convincing you. Let me get back to those toy weights now........

 

looks like i dont have it in me anymore, all the debates with pudding oz puncher and others has weakened me!

p.s hazetheman if you are talking about ross enamait you do know he has been a conditioning coach for dawson right? he still writes dawsons routines.

 

I have even heard a few pros say that when they stop weight training their stamina improves,some pros have also said they felt tight and sore when weight training before a fight.....tyrell biggs,mike spinks and michael gomez all said these things,and guys like moseley,briggs,vargas and co seem to have been hindered by weight training,in fact moseley stated he felt light on his feet for the first time in years at 147 v collazo,as opposed to the 154 v winky where he was moving serious iron....I suppose theoretically weight training could improve a fighter,but in practice this hasnt happened at the world level...
I used to love pumping iron and thought it would improve my boxing,but it didnt and used to lessen my speed,stamina and flexibility...Sometimes even calisthenics,running and chins can even overdevelop the wrong muscles,i dont think the old school way is perfect by any means either....
The bottom line is you have to try what works for you,and be careful with overdeveloping the wrong muscles with certain training methods,you improve your boxing by boxing.......

 

at 147 shane mosley still lifts, he has been lifting since his leightweight days, again strength training dont decrease stamina, its lack of conditioning.

 

another thing is you were pumping iron, basically you were bodybuilding, neglecting conditioning, weight training is a small portion of a boxers training usually done only once a week.

 

great info!?

the only ones with decent info were rdj and greg, young monzon and enquirer are clowns.

 

Relentless,i was in full boxing training and sparring when i was 'pumping iron'.....you really make assumptions dont you......Were you in the gym while i trained?
The fact is you are one of those people that tries to sell the weights are great/creatine should be used by all boxers type of guys,yet you fail to bring ONE good example of a significant boxer improving his boxing through weights.....Oh sorry,ross the boss!!!!
Really your not strong on logic or real life examples are you?
If your weight training/supplements are so good i expect to see you as a world renowned trainer,a greatly improved boxer or ANY examples of boxers improving their game through lifting? Ive asked you multiple times and you still havent showed me any examples,while i have named several guys who got slower after lifting....
Why dont you actually digest the facts and examples and then make an informed objective opinion,instead of fitting the facts to your preconceived/prejudiced viewpoint......And the childish cussing/sniping/arrogance just shows your maturity and the fact we have struck a nerve by your inability to show any real life examples that weight training works significantly for boxers.....

 

and i've told you many times weight training does not make you a better fighter, it improves ONE aspect of your game,

but if you want an example of a fighter who benefited to weight training look at ricky hatton, and no you have not given me any examples of boxers who got slower by weight training, you just gave me your opinion of them, fact is michael spinks never said that, he had mackie shiilstone helping him and to this day he praises mackie shilstone and recommends him.

every single time you reply with 'so and so lost stamina' you lose stamina by neglecting conditioning not lifting weights, do you see manny pacquaio or miguel cotto lose stamina?

what do you think of strength training with bodyweights? one handed push ups, handstand pushups, weighted pull ups?

 

if you're going to give me your opinion on who you 'think' slowed down after weight training then save it, your opinion means very little to me.

 

Well your opinions on hatton,cotto and pac dont impress me either.....:smoke
As for hatton allegedly benefiting after weights (even though i asked for a boxer IMPROVING after weights,i bet hatton benefits from a few budweisers as well pal...) well where is your proof for this? Or is it your opinion?
Also how come it took you so many pages to pull ONE boxer out of your arse (and a poor unproven example at that.) ,you had to really think hey? Listen,its obvious you cant really give me any real examples of boxers improving after weights can you?
As for any type of strength training it all depends on the body type of the one doing it,and the muscles that are built up....sometimes even chins,weighted pressups and such like are not actually helpful to some physiques in relation to boxers......
Mackie shilstone and guys like this are great at packing on muscle bodyweight,yes,but making boxers better,no.....
There is no example in the history of world class boxing of a guy making big improvemnets with weight training,olympic sprinting yes,boxing,no....
And as for weight trainig improving ASPECTS of boxing,well tell me what these ASPECT are,the clinch,even that is debateable? Bottom line is that many of the benefits of weights dont necessarily cross over into boxing performance,or improve boxing punch power/speed.....

 

you are going over what i already told you, weight training doesn't improve boxing skills!!!