Calzaghe's place in history post-Kessler

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  1. the_churn

    the_churn Member Full Member

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    Assuming that there is a fair decision that is not disputed by the boxing press and fans, how are we to evaluate JC's place in history (as much as one can before his career is over) if he convincinly beats Kessler? What if he loses by the same margin?
     
  2. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Well did he not break the supe middle weight title defense record when he fought Bika ???
     
  3. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Joe Calzaghe, if he beats Kessler convincingly, will go down as the most ACCOMPLISHED super middleweight of all time. Not the H2H best, but accomplishment wise, I would put him at the top. It would also give him a future spot in boxing's HOF.

    A loss and he's still a top 10 super middleweight of all time, just not as high as if he were to win.
     
  4. Quik

    Quik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No i think even if he loses hes still No 1 to me until we can say someone else, most likely kessler, do more then him.
     
  5. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I would keep Roy Jones over Calzaghe if Calzaghe lost. Jones win over an undefeated James Toney exceeds Calzaghe's wins over Jeff Lacy and Chris Eubank by a longshot.
     
  6. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Even if Calzaghe beats Kessler... :deal
     
  7. Clearly Cool

    Clearly Cool Active Member Full Member

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    I have been watching kesslers career and I think he is bound to be great, so if calzaghe beats him soundly, then Calzaghe has to be number one 168lbs of all time.

    I think this fight will be interesting because if calzaghe or kessler gets easily demolished it raised questions about his career. Maybe they have only been so successful because of there low quality of opposition?
     
  8. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Kessler will be his biggest fight. It all boils down to how big, the wins over Lacy, Reid, Woodhall, Veit and Eubank is rated. He was the only one to KD Eubank I believe.

    I say the best is yet to come, regardless if he loses to Kessler. He might even get rated higher, if Lacy and Kessler do something great.

    Nonetheless, 20 defences is still pretty great regardless of how you rate his opponents.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Regardless of the Kessler result, Cal will be remembered as a hugely talented boxer that never got the job done. He had the talent but never the opposition, and arguably the balls/smarts to get involved with that competition. Shame.
     
  10. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    He can't do any better than facing Kessler at 168.

    He should have landed fights with Hopkins, and RJJ back in the day, however, that might well have been their fault also.
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Consensus is that it was definitely mostly "their fault" - JC was not a draw for them...he wasn't a name...he was just dangerous...no incentive for them to take HIM on, rather than the guys they ended up taking on...shame.
     
  12. Fat Tony

    Fat Tony Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He wasted his talent so far but it's not too late.

    Three more fights after Kessler:

    Hopkins, Taylor/Pavlik, Dawson.

    That should be enough to "save" his reputation - assuming he'll win those fights.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Agreed. In fact it might be the best fight that could have been made in boxing this year.

    Woods, Johnson, Michalczewski maybe?, Tarver, Taylor...any one of these guys would arguably have been the best fighter that he had fought, in my opinion.
     
  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    From JC's point of view...he would like to do Hopkins and then retire...but if JC looks good against Kessler, unless he loses, Hopkins will never take Joe on.

    From fans point of view...he would take on whoever are the two best winners of Dawson/Diaconu, Taylor/Pavlik, Berrio/Bute.

    So a compromise would be Hopkins and then the best winner of Dawson/Diaconu, Taylor/Pavlik, Berrio/Bute, because he would get a career-high payday and the recognition in the US he has always craved, beating a NAME - the resume boys would have a field day praising JC...AND he would fight a live dangerman, for a lot of money, again, cementing his legacy and becoming a much loved favourite with the true fans...

    But first he has to get over Kessler...
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    The smaller man, in this era (thank God) CAN get fights with top men if he is willing to make concessions in pay and territory. However in the main it requires a campaign of some sorts. Calzaghe chose to sit on his ass and rake in what could be made.

    See Hatton for the correct model, including ditching Warren.